Nice Pawn shop find

[Meece 1,957]

From my experience all American .22 rimfire ammunition that I  have  ever come across is not anywhere near accurate enough for target shooting because it is too fast and variable from shot to shot.  I  bought a thousand  Remington std velocity target ammo.   These were so innacurate that I  just used them up as barrel warmers.  I have had a 500 box of the wildcat but again they were so innacurate that I  couldnt guarantee them for rabbit shooting and again I  used them up as barrel warmers.  There doesn't seem to be any consistency in the velocity. Some flop into the chamber loose and others are so tight that you almost need a hammer.  Some are really soft shooting and others are real bangers with super super sonic cracks that can hurt your hearing. The only reason that I  can think of is that the .22rf  is considered a kids gun for plinking tin cans and stuff and the General public dont/won't pay for premium ammo. This is understandable.  IF the ammo could be sorted into some sort of constant fit and velocity there's no reason that it shouldn't  be accurate. This even carries over into centre fire ammunition to some degree.  American eagle can be very variable but one of the son in laws has a 223 that shoots well with them.  Better than RWS, federal and Lapua which surprised us. As far as I  know even the American Olympic shooters use stuff like RWS, Eley and Lapua as opposed to Federal. If that rifle could have an aperture ring  foresight fitted that would make a massive difference to the accuracy. If the target can be seen a rifle fitted with two aperture sights is far more accurate than any telescopic sight.  That's why they are used for Olympic shooting. I like RWS myself. Well my rifles do.

Still that is a lovely little rifle and should give many years of pleasure to its owner especially if you can go to the range and outshoot all the others with shiny new guns.

[Wolfdog91 6,268]

5 hours ago, Meece said:

From my experience all American .22 rimfire ammunition that I  have  ever come across is not anywhere near accurate enough for target shooting because it is too fast and variable from shot to shot.  I  bought a thousand  Remington std velocity target ammo.   These were so innacurate that I  just used them up as barrel warmers.  I have had a 500 box of the wildcat but again they were so innacurate that I  couldnt guarantee them for rabbit shooting and again I  used them up as barrel warmers.  There doesn't seem to be any consistency in the velocity. Some flop into the chamber loose and others are so tight that you almost need a hammer.  Some are really soft shooting and others are real bangers with super super sonic cracks that can hurt your hearing. The only reason that I  can think of is that the .22rf  is considered a kids gun for plinking tin cans and stuff and the General public dont/won't pay for premium ammo. This is understandable.  IF the ammo could be sorted into some sort of constant fit and velocity there's no reason that it shouldn't  be accurate. This even carries over into centre fire ammunition to some degree.  American eagle can be very variable but one of the son in laws has a 223 that shoots well with them.  Better than RWS, federal and Lapua which surprised us. As far as I  know even the American Olympic shooters use stuff like RWS, Eley and Lapua as opposed to Federal. If that rifle could have an aperture ring  foresight fitted that would make a massive difference to the accuracy. If the target can be seen a rifle fitted with two aperture sights is far more accurate than any telescopic sight.  That's why they are used for Olympic shooting. I like RWS myself. Well my rifles do.

Still that is a lovely little rifle and should give many years of pleasure to its owner especially if you can go to the range and outshoot all the others with shiny new guns.

You know I've heard this a few times from guys over there. I'm honestly not sure why but seem these old guns shoot just about everything good enough for for hunting within 20-30yd. Actually have a old savage that was scoped and it won't shoot any of the real Gucci ammo worth anything. Tried a few boxes of Elley and some nicer american options ,can't remember what exactly it's been a while but wouldn't shoot them well at all. It will stack $20 for 500 bulk in one hole at 30yd all day though. Idk mabye it's just these two guns. But again most of what I do now days is plinking shot gun shells , soda cans and what not off the front porch. And shooting pests along with dispatching trapped hogs. And it's doing more than goods with this cheap stuff for those reasons.

Now as far as american eagle yeah that stuff is legit just  cheap fodder ammo. mostly bought by guys who just wanna go and burn a few mags with their new AR's or slap some gongs something.  Honestly ever since I stared reloading there's very little factory ammo I'm interested in. Most people here are more than happy with 2-3 MOA groups at 100 so that's what the factorys put out.  Can't tell you how many people I've met at the range who will hit somewhere within 3-5 inches of the bulleye and call it "good nuff" being able to hit a soda can at 100 with a 3-9 scope is considered some next level marksmenship by many. 

[Alsone 789]

My friends Tika used to like Eley. As you mention some other brands seem to have very inconsistent powder loads. I say that, it could be the primers don't initiate an even or completely burn the powders, I wouldn't know. Either way, there seems to be little care in some rimfire rounds. Personally, I believe even centrefire could be more consistent. In a world of robot and machine assembly and tolerances in many industries to thousands of a millimetre, we can't manufacture bullets with consistent powder loads. It all seems a bit archaic. Only reason I could think as to why it wouldn't be done is maybe it would take longer for a machine to exactly balance a powder load out compared to one that measures by volume by weight and so suffers slight inconsistencies. There maybe a cost factor to bulk manufacturing therefore. Is the problem with powder manufacture and achieving perfectly uniform sized grains? Who knows. I'm sure better is possible though. A reduction in line speed could be compensated for by an additional filling line. Surely a more accurate brand for the same price would win extra sales volume and help pay for the extra machinery. At least you'd think so.

[Meece 1,957]

I have considered doing a cast of the barrel diameter ;;; e.g. removing a bullet from the case and push / driving it down the bore with a cleaning rod,  then accurately measuring The diameter using a micrometer Vernier  then machining up a "go, no go gauge" to swage the round down to size or the ones that are small to be found and sorted out.    By doing this it would eliminate to some degree the tight ones from the loose ones and in doing so getting some sort of pressure consistency.   This might be useless  if the powder charge is all over the place but there nothing that you can do about that.  All of this might sound a bit anal and nerdy but what's the point of having any sort of elephant gun but you can't hit the elephant.? If like WD91 has written that the 22lr is just for splogging a tin can at 30 yds down the garden then that's what the product is made for. It is made down to a price which will sell. This is true for everything.   There is the domestics range of power tools and the industrial version  with a corresponding price tag. Gun barrels are like people some like steak and others like seafood.  Generally In the UK we don't have the space or the range of quarry species to use large centerfires  so use the smaller cals a lot more.   On the other hand we don't give 10 year old kids 22lr to shoot up the neighbourhood (cats) vermin ect. I have an old BSA bolt rifle that is similar to the OP's rifle which I have modified somewhat that I  can headshoot rabbits out to about 80yards free hand with. Just because a gun is old and not fashionable don't mean that it's worn out and junk. It's  great fun to outshoot someone with the latest tool with all the Carlos Fandango bells and whistles with an old stovepipe of a gun.

[Wolfdog91 6,268]

Little video of the first shots and some plinking

[Meece 1,957]

Happy Christmas and new year you ole red neck you.  That rifle is sweet.  It's  far to good a rifle for you to keep bashing the barrel around on that brickwork. That rifle groups well and your a good shot with it.  When. ...... you get fed up of just plinking about like that at ten yards ect.  Raise the height of your bucket rest.  Get some subsonic or proper target ammo not bulk or hunting lead, get a plain paper target ( those sort of black and yellow targets splatter all over the place and give a false sense of group ) and plant it out at 50 to start with.  Or better still Get a BIG cardboard box nail it across two stakes so that it doesn't blow about in the wind and felt tip a few dot targets on it.  You could draw round a small coin and colour them in. if you put one in the middle you can see where you missed the  intended target.  It's cheaper than buying those crap targets.  and you can keep it and compare  how different sorts of ammo shoot in the gun.

A couple of tips.

If you drop a round on the ground clean it because grit gets stuck on the bullet lube and can score the barrel.

The holes in the fore end will take a hand stop so that you hold it in the same place every time in conjunction with a sling. 

Be a bit gentle when cranking the wind age and elevation screws.  They are fine thread and if you strain them the gun will start shooting all over the place because the peepsight will keep moving due to wear. 

And for Christ sake make a gun stand so it doesnt fall off that wall when you go to the target.

Have a great time shooting that little gun.  Given some decent ammo it will shoot better than you can. we want to see some ragged one hole groups

[Wolfdog91 6,268]

Don't think you understand I can't really even find regular ammo on the shelves right now lol, much less target grade .22lr. even online it's pretty scarce , gonna probably be October before stuff simmers down to where I can get some target ammo. Till then it's getting fed what I can find lol

[KimE 487]

14 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Don't think you understand I can't really even find regular ammo on the shelves right now lol, much less target grade .22lr. even online it's pretty scarce , gonna probably be October before stuff simmers down to where I can get some target ammo. Till then it's getting fed what I can find lol

Its crazy how americans can hord ammunition and Guns every 5-7 years. We have plenty of 22 ammo here but much of the US reloading components are out of stock.

[Meece 1,957]

20 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Don't think you understand I can't really even find regular ammo on the shelves right now lol, much less target grade .22lr. even online it's pretty scarce , gonna probably be October before stuff simmers down to where I can get some target ammo. Till then it's getting fed what I can find lol

That's  strange. That a country where there are so many guns that there isn't any ammo available.  There's plenty available over here in the uk.  Ok my local gunshop might not have thousands on the shelf but even a local predominantly fishing shop has got about three different types on the shelf.  Maybe the more exotic target ammo like Eley Tenex or RWS 100 would need to be ordered in, it wouldn't take that long to get.  Time more down to the shop having to generate a value of order to get the free postage or else the price would be a lot more per order.  I keep a fair amount of reloading components in stock to avoid any delays or getting something  different  I.e. American powders which were banned. Such as H4895.

[Wolfdog91 6,268]

1 hour ago, Meece said:

That's  strange. That a country where there are so many guns that there isn't any ammo available.  There's plenty available over here in the uk.  Ok my local gunshop might not have thousands on the shelf but even a local predominantly fishing shop has got about three different types on the shelf.  Maybe the more exotic target ammo like Eley Tenex or RWS 100 would need to be ordered in, it wouldn't take that long to get.  Time more down to the shop having to generate a value of order to get the free postage or else the price would be a lot more per order.  I keep a fair amount of reloading components in stock to avoid any delays or getting something  different  I.e. American powders which were banned. Such as H4895.

It's an election year man happens like clock work. Not to mention the biden has said his administration with try to ban all online gun,ammo,and parts sales, band on various rifles and hand gun types,ammo type bans ,yadda yadda yadda, so everyone if loosing their minds buying up any and every thing they can. Lots of crooks will by what ever they think will be in high demand so they can sell it at a mark up at gun shows and such. Then doesn't help the generally ignorant public will buy it at the mark up.  Lost o liberals are wanting firearms too and they are completely cluess so people are making bank off of them as well. Legit was in the shop and this guy comes in says point to a AR-15 and says "yeah I want the machine gun"  10min later ends up he had like $1500 to spend and had no clue AR-15's weren't fully automatic,had no clue how much ammo cost or what my if it wasadn didn't even know he had to do a back ground check (surprise he was not eligible).

But yeah currently due to the hording ammo companies have bought up all the reloading components so they can make ammo to try and keep up with demand. If trump won wouldn't have been half as bad but with gun grabbing biden ,oof.....

[Wolfdog91 6,268]

8 minutes ago, Wolfdog91 said:

It's an election year man happens like clock work. Not to mention the biden has said his administration with try to ban all online gun,ammo,and parts sales, band on various rifles and hand gun types,ammo type bans ,yadda yadda yadda, so everyone if loosing their minds buying up any and every thing they can. Lots of crooks will by what ever they think will be in high demand so they can sell it at a mark up at gun shows and such. Then doesn't help the generally ignorant public will buy it at the mark up.  Lost o liberals are wanting firearms too and they are completely cluess so people are making bank off of them as well. Legit was in the shop and this guy comes in says point to a AR-15 and says "yeah I want the machine gun"  10min later ends up he had like $1500 to spend and had no clue AR-15's weren't fully automatic,had no clue how much ammo cost or what my if it wasadn didn't even know he had to do a back ground check (surprise he was not eligible).

But yeah currently due to the hording ammo companies have bought up all the reloading components so they can make ammo to try and keep up with demand. If trump won wouldn't have been half as bad but with gun grabbing biden ,oof.....

 

[Meece 1,957]

Imagine the carnage if American society broke down and everyone and their dog went looting and killing with the amount of guns and ammo in circulation.  I remember a few years ago there were massive floods around New Orleans and the STATE came round and just disarmed the populace.  There was a family of father and two sons in a  boat and they had taken their guns out of their house to save them from being damaged or stolen from their house. Plod rocks up and just impound all of the guns.  I don't think that they had any choice in the matter or any receipt for the guns.  I wonder if they got them back when things returned to normal. Whatever that is. Would  anyone in their right minds actually start shooting at another person.? There are always serious legal implications.

[KimE 487]

In Sweden we have had socialist or      liberal governments for 90 years no one has taken any Guns. Its 110-120 million gunowners in US it would be political impossible to take firearms from legal gunowners. 

 

 

[Wolfdog91 6,268]

38 minutes ago, Meece said:

Imagine the carnage if American society broke down and everyone and their dog went looting and killing with the amount of guns and ammo in circulation.  I remember a few years ago there were massive floods around New Orleans and the STATE came round and just disarmed the populace.  There was a family of father and two sons in a  boat and they had taken their guns out of their house to save them from being damaged or stolen from their house. Plod rocks up and just impound all of the guns.  I don't think that they had any choice in the matter or any receipt for the guns.  I wonder if they got them back when things returned to normal. Whatever that is. Would  anyone in their right minds actually start shooting at another person.? There are always serious legal implications.

Ummm I live like 3hours from New Orleans and end up getting alot of the after effects of those storms but anyhow the state of Louisiana disarming citizens, yeah I've never heard of that happening nor do I think it would. California yeah but Louisiana, mississippi, texas and other southern states ,unless it's at an extremely local level on a case by case basis it's not gonna happen . That had to have been some local law enforcement knew about and found them unsafe or something. 

The southern states disarming citizens isn't gonna happen for a few reasons one mainly being people will not comply, and yes people will get shot. 

[Wolfdog91 6,268]

25 minutes ago, KimE said:

In Sweden we have had socialist or      liberal governments for 90 years no one has taken any Guns. Its 110-120 million gunowners in US it would be political impossible to take firearms from legal gunowners. 

 

 

Get enough people to become sheep you'd be amazed what can happen. Talked to so aussies and people from california and they said they felt the same and look at them now. you don't cut down a tree in just one hit. Lots of smaller cuts here and there.....