Anschutz 1416 jamming issues

[philpot 5,085]

My shooting pal has just bought a brand new 1416 but the love is not flowing yet.  On it's first outing at one of our perms, the spent cases would not eject and simply fall into the bottom of the breech area.  A quick trip to the rfd and after a clean by the rfd, 50 shots were fired at the rfd's shop with no issue,  now sorted ??

Today my pal went to the range to have a play............................20 shots with three cases not ejecting.  We both use RWS subs and wonder if the wax coating used might be having an effect.  I am taking a selection of my ammo, a different batch plus some Eley subs, Hornady HV and CCI HV to try.  The RWS is producing a nice tight group, which they have done in every gun we have used them in but the jamming is not pleasing nor acceptable on a gun regarded as the best rimmy out there (not by me) and brand spanking new at that.

Anyone have any ideas what could cause the problem my pal is having please guys.

Phil

[Sausagedog 7,381]

A common issue today is that the extractor claws are stamped from steel sheet. Burrs from the punch an die are often left on the stamped parts. These burrs then impede on the free movement in the machined grooves in the bolt.

My first port of call would be to remove the extractor spring. The extractors (note which one goes where because they may be different) and stone them flat one a fine wet stone.

[Dervburner 2,549]

I had a problem with extractors sticking on my 1417 when it was new. A small amount of residue was enough to cause it. As SD says, remove the spring and extractors (they are different) and give them a clean(demurred if required), they should improve as they bed in, mine was fine after some bedding in time. I think your problem is ejecting the spent case though? Well, I don’t think that these rifles are the best at pinging the spent cases clear, and need the bolt to be flicked back smartish to throw the case clear. They’re fairly tight when new and seem to improve with use in my view.

[philpot 5,085]

Things have moved on now because yesterday we took the annie to test various ammo as the RWS is a bit sticky and tried Eley, CCI, Hornady HV and different batches of RWS which were the worst but all had issues including the Hornady which has no wax whatsoever.  We removed the Pard just in case the spent cases were catching on exit but not really a problem there.  I wiped a mag a RWS to remove the wax which helped and then after taking a shot, the bolt didn't want to move and took some pressure to open the gun.  On the third time this happened, we phone the RFD where the gun came from and he simply said that it obviously has a serious fault and to return it for a full refund.

My pal decided he didn't want to mess about anymore and returned it also bear in mind it was a 50 mile round trip to this RFD and he had now been three times, in the meantime, I phoned our local RFD to see if he could get another Browning T-bolt. My pal wanted a Tikka left hooker but due to some technical issue the .22lr  will not be available until March / April next year.  The Browning lefty will be here next week and with luck his ticket will not take much longer than that either.  The Browning will do for a year or two until he is ready to buy a Tikka which hopefully will be available by then, after all what is so difficult to make a lefty of a T1x that is so successful in right handed, buggered if I know.

It is a great pity about the Annie as he really loved the rifle but not the problems however it turns out that these rather well priced 1416s were on special offer from either Ruag or Anschutz so perhaps they were on as specials for a reason ????

Phil

[ianm 2,594]

It isn't the first anschutz rifle i have heard about having problems, or indeed German rifle.

Tell him not to buy rifles from a country that lost two world wars.

 

[Dervburner 2,549]

Shame about that Phil. Apart from the problem I already mentioned, my 1417 has since been faultless for ten years and many thousands of rounds. In fact, I think it’s as good now, if not better than its ever been. Not cheap for a rimfire I know, so you expect long term good performance. I suppose a substandard product will get through to the consumers every now and again in all things.

[philpot 5,085]

33 minutes ago, Dervburner said:

Shame about that Phil. Apart from the problem I already mentioned, my 1417 has since been faultless for ten years and many thousands of rounds. In fact, I think it’s as good now, if not better than its ever been. Not cheap for a rimfire I know, so you expect long term good performance. I suppose a substandard product will get through to the consumers every now and again in all things.

I guess it was just unlucky as these guns are just over £1200 but these brand new guns were offered at £750 so perhaps they have been classed as 'B' grade or something similar. I know they have sold quite a few both right and left handed but as with all manufactured items, there will be the odd cock up.  There were five left hookers but when we contacted the RFD yesterday, the last one had gone and there won't be any more, had there been any left, my buddy would have changed it over as he loved the feel of the stock in use with the thumbhole and a high left handed comb that really suited him.  A really great shame but the Browning will do for now, it is a shame as I have the Tikka which he loves but cannot get one.

This year has put production of so many things into meltdown with covid19 so there are so few lefty guns around and a few gun shops closing down, only this week, there was a notice that York Guns is closing it's doors, a cracking shop with a good range of quality guns to be lost from the region and not to be replaced. All these things have just made it tricky for my pal to be able to buy what he really wants.  Sad but at least we are still alive and kicking which is more than can be said for over 42,000 people so we shouldn't complain.

Phil

[Sausagedog 7,381]

I see it somewhat different.

They are completely overpriced in my opinion!

CNC machinery bang out all the parts. Your not paying for a quality handcrafted device, your paying for very expensive CNC machinery!

I use to work next to daystate and visited the factory next door contracted to machine the parts. The regulator body was a few quid each. The air tubes and receivers machined in minutes. Pretty much everything was farmed out which is a very expensive way to run a business but heck people pay the extreme prices per unit so what the heck!

I had a German 222 once. Firing pin was a pathetic design and made of cheese. The barrel parting off was disgusting, in essence the end of the barrel was crimped! The set trigger was so far forward I had to tape a finger extension to my trigger finger or use a different finger. Piece of junk. They should stick to airguns!

Edited October 2, 2020 by Sausagedog

[Dervburner 2,549]

41 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

I see it somewhat different.

They are completely overpriced in my opinion!

CNC machinery bang out all the parts. Your not paying for a quality handcrafted device, your paying for very expensive CNC machinery!

I use to work next to daystate and visited the factory next door contracted to machine the parts. The regulator body was a few quid each. The air tubes and receivers machined in minutes. Pretty much everything was farmed out which is a very expensive way to run a business but heck people pay the extreme prices per unit so what the heck!

I had a German 222 once. Firing pin was a pathetic design and made of cheese. The barrel parting off was disgusting, in essence the end of the barrel was crimped! The set trigger was so far forward I had to tape a finger extension to my trigger finger or use a different finger. Piece of junk. They should stick to airguns!

Finger extension? Bet that came in handy for other stuff as well

[Sausagedog 7,381]

55 minutes ago, Dervburner said:

Finger extension? Bet that came in handy for other stuff as well

It did, as long as I remembered to do the nose first!!

[philpot 5,085]

I do believe that you are paying for a Name because they have won countless medals in target competition, it is said that they are the best rimfire that money can buy ......................... well mine was not that great, the bolt was shit compared to my Tikka and the stock was not pleasing, in fact I got to hate the stock and tried to find a stock to fit but nobody at that time was making one for an Anschutz so I got shut.  In my humble opinion, the Tikka T1x is way better but that is just me.

I have owned an FX Impact fac air in .25 for over four years and boy are they pricey, as you know DB, however what an amazing gun it is and for me worth every penny, the Anschutz, for me, did not fall into that catagory.

If I had the money, I would buy a Blaser, only held one at a show but my lord it felt so good, there would be one in my cabinet but is it worth the money, I don't know.  Are many of the shotguns I have owned and enjoy shooting, worth the money, well to me they are so it is down in part to what we all percieve to be 'best gun' status.  None of that however alters the fact that this particular Anschutz was a pile of shite...

Phil

[Dervburner 2,549]

2 minutes ago, philpot said:

I do believe that you are paying for a Name because they have won countless medals in target competition, it is said that they are the best rimfire that money can buy ......................... well mine was not that great, the bolt was shit compared to my Tikka and the stock was not pleasing, in fact I got to hate the stock and tried to find a stock to fit but nobody at that time was making one for an Anschutz so I got shut.  In my humble opinion, the Tikka T1x is way better but that is just me.

I have owned an FX Impact fac air in .25 for over four years and boy are they pricey, as you know DB, however what an amazing gun it is and for me worth every penny, the Anschutz, for me, did not fall into that catagory.

If I had the money, I would buy a Blaser, only held one at a show but my lord it felt so good, there would be one in my cabinet but is it worth the money, I don't know.  Are many of the shotguns I have owned and enjoy shooting, worth the money, well to me they are so it is down in part to what we all percieve to be 'best gun' status.  None of that however alters the fact that this particular Anschutz was a pile of shite...

Phil

Yerr,, the tikka’s are nice, a couple of friends have them. Personally, I’ve been happy with my 1417. I paid about 700 new for the thumbhole model and I believe that I’ve had my money’s worth. I’ve run it side by side with a cz452 which has also been reliable, and still is. It isn’t as well made as the anschutz, out of the box it wasn’t really in the same league for quality of finish. I’ve done the trigger mods and fitted an alloy mag well instead of the plastic one. It’s been good for the money I paid. The new 457 looks like it’s moved up a notch and could be a bargain. SD’s looks like a good tool. I still like the old original finnfire mind.

[villaman 9,982]

Mate had problems with his  brand new Anschutz.22 lr , it went back to get sorted , but imo and I think his too , my CZ 457 is far better , more accurate, quieter , easy bolt action and cheaper,  I must admit Anschutz  trigger is very nice .

would I buy one , no , give me CZ any day