Brexit fishing row: Boris stuns Barnier with demand for 'near total' BAN on EU vessels

[king 12,030]

11 minutes ago, jetro said:

You can fish a certain amount of pots, for your own use, table, as long as your not selling them commercially.

Yeah it is frustrating when you can't get out, but worse still, been out there and not catching anything. The inshore fishing grounds where i am are disseminated, raped, nearly wiped out. All down to greed, and not looking after the grounds and stock. 

Their fishing all year round now. Sure nothing in nature could stand that harvesting. 

I have cousins further down the coast. They don't fish any pots until March till Sept.  They notch, don't take females with berries and don't take small ones.

Its seems here it's all or nothing. 

The same happened with the Cray fish is well. Wiped them out with tangle nets.

I wouldn't advise any young person to start up now. 

 

Atb j 

I was watching a programme I think it was last week.about an island in Scotland that was the same the sea bed was baron.

There was a no fishing zone of a decent size area.and think it was 12yrs that the fishermen agreed to leave the area alone.they showed footage before and after and the difference it amazing.

It's like anything I suppose mate if it's gets hammered then that's the result.massive decline in the species.

[jetro 5,349]

5 minutes ago, WILF said:

Consumers have to take a lot of the blame as well mate, they won’t buy the products.

The UK catches some of the finest spider crab in the world and it all gets exported because we won’t eat it !! 
 

Regulation in fishing and farming is killing everything, there’s a few small farmers who don’t fit “in the system” starting to take measures to bypass the government and Agriculture people and take control of their farms and their products.

 

Your right. 

All the fish we caught/catch goes straight out of the country. 

But people here aren't will to spent 30 euro a kilo for a cod dinner, or 15 euro a kilo for pollock. 

I think it's 30 euro a kilo for lobster, where's we only get 12, or 12.50.

The price has to come down in the shops for the people as well.

Atb j 

[WILF 50,303]

4 minutes ago, king said:

I was watching a programme I think it was last week.about an island in Scotland that was the same the sea bed was baron.

There was a no fishing zone of a decent size area.and think it was 12yrs that the fishermen agreed to leave the area alone.they showed footage before and after and the difference it amazing.

It's like anything I suppose mate if it's gets hammered then that's the result.massive decline in the species.

A bit off topic but the same as farming, you can’t keep raping everything.....you have to take steps to regenerate.

Raping the sea bed, destroying soil by forcing crops with artificial fertiliser and spraying round up.......it’s the price of high volume, low cost food.

They reckon England has 50 harvests left !!.....50 !

The soil is in such poor condition from chemical wormers, fertiliser, round up, monoculture crops that it’s all done in 50 years ! It won’t sustain a thing on its own !

The consumer has to take a chunk of that blame.

[jetro 5,349]

Just now, WILF said:

A bit off topic but the same as farming, you can’t keep raping everything.....you have to take steps to regenerate.

Raping the sea bed, destroying soil by forcing crops with artificial fertiliser and spraying round up.......it’s the price of high volume, low cost food.

They reckon England has 50 harvests left !!.....50 !

The soil is in such poor condition from chemical wormers, fertiliser, round up, monoculture crops that it’s all done in 50 years ! It won’t sustain a thing on its own !

The consumer has to take a chunk of that blame.

It's common sence. 

Look after what nature had given us, and she will look after us.

Raping poisoning and destroying will not end will for anything or anyone.

Greed is a terrible thing 

Atb j 

[WILF 50,303]

4 minutes ago, jetro said:

It's common sence. 

Look after what nature had given us, and she will look after us.

Raping poisoning and destroying will not end will for anything or anyone.

Greed is a terrible thing 

Atb j 

As you say mate, it’s the processors getting the money and people don’t want to pay €30 a kilo to eat fish, but they would happily pay the fisherman a few euro a kilo more than he is getting from processors and he only too happy to do it.

I was out off Sligo boat fishing the other year, we caught a load of mackerel and pollock, got back and nobody wanted hardly any of it !!

I went home with about 6 stone of fish because I just couldn’t see that wasted ....why bother even killing it if you don’t want it......stuff like that snaps me, it really does. 

[king 12,030]

6 minutes ago, WILF said:

A bit off topic but the same as farming, you can’t keep raping everything.....you have to take steps to regenerate.

Raping the sea bed, destroying soil by forcing crops with artificial fertiliser and spraying round up.......it’s the price of high volume, low cost food.

They reckon England has 50 harvests left !!.....50 !

The soil is in such poor condition from chemical wormers, fertiliser, round up, monoculture crops that it’s all done in 50 years ! It won’t sustain a thing on its own !

The consumer has to take a chunk of that blame.

50 harvests left.that scary stuff right there.im sure someone mentioned to me that they spray some crops with round up to kill it so it can be harvested earlier.

I've said it before I can look in the fridge now and there will be grapes or some other fruit from Africa etc.

It's absolutely crazy.

Sadly what ever man touches he destroys.

They recon about 100 million sharks are killed each year.its a mind boggling amount.

Just sitting on my sofa I'm a bit shocked that there would be 100 million sharks alive.so really there must be a billion sharks to kill 100 million a year.

[king 12,030]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

As you say mate, it’s the processors getting the money and people don’t want to pay €30 a kilo to eat fish, but they would happily pay the fisherman a few euro a kilo more than he is getting from processors and he only too happy to do it.

I was out off Sligo boat fishing the other year, we caught a load of mackerel and pollock, got back and nobody wanted hardly any of it !!

I went home with about 6 stone of fish because I just couldn’t see that wasted ....why bother even killing it if you don’t want it......stuff like that snaps me, it really does. 

Wilf the people who want pay for quality fish.will stop in McDonald's and spent £20 without a thought. Try to understand that mentality.

While in Wales my youngest lad was keen on rainbow trout. And what a great feeling catching a trout in the river and taking it home.and see him enjoying eating it.brilliant..

[WILF 50,303]

1 minute ago, king said:

50 harvests left.that scary stuff right there.im sure someone mentioned to me that they spray some crops with round up to kill it so it can be harvested earlier.

I've said it before I can look in the fridge now and there will be grapes or some other fruit from Africa etc.

It's absolutely crazy.

Sadly what ever man touches he destroys.

They recon about 100 million sharks are killed each year.its a mind boggling amount.

Just sitting on my sofa I'm a bit shocked that there would be 100 million sharks alive.so really there must be a billion sharks to kill 100 million a year.

Mate, they spray everything with round up........meanwhile in the states Monsanto have had to put hundreds of millions of dollars aside to settle cancer claims !!

Over here and the UK they spray as a matter of course prior to harvest:

Potatoes

Rape

Wheat

Silage  grass in some instances, so your beef is laced with it too !! 
 There is probably a shit load of other stuff too.....

Makes your mouth water don’t it  

[jetro 5,349]

3 minutes ago, WILF said:

As you say mate, it’s the processors getting the money and people don’t want to pay €30 a kilo to eat fish, but they would happily pay the fisherman a few euro a kilo more than he is getting from processors and he only too happy to do it.

I was out off Sligo boat fishing the other year, we caught a load of mackerel and pollock, got back and nobody wanted hardly any of it !!

I went home with about 6 stone of fish because I just couldn’t see that wasted ....why bother even killing it if you don’t want it......stuff like that snaps me, it really does. 

And that my point. 

Only take what you need. I could spent all day every day out at sea, but why bother. A few days a year see me right for what I need.  

Pity it wasn't like that, sell your catch, beef lamb veg locally for a fair price. But that won't happen.  To many rules and regulations.  Plus the tac man wants his cut

Atb j 

[king 12,030]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

Mate, they spray everything with round up........meanwhile in the states Monsanto have had to put hundreds of millions of dollars aside to settle cancer claims !!

Over here and the UK they spray as a matter of course prior to harvest:

Potatoes

Rape

Wheat

Silage  grass in some instances, so your beef is laced with it too !! 
 There is probably a shit load of other stuff too.....

Makes your mouth water don’t it  

And they say we are living longer and are more healthy.

Yea we are chock full of chemicals and drugs from the doctor.

People living in wooden houses in the UK in the 1800s would live to 60+ we aint much better off now health wise.no doubt worse.

It's weird how that nuclear plant in Japan isn't mentioned anymore.that was right on the edge of the sea.spewing massive amounts of stuff into the sea.

[WILF 50,303]

1 minute ago, jetro said:

And that my point. 

Only take what you need. I could spent all day every day out at sea, but why bother. A few days a year see me right for what I need.  

Pity it wasn't like that, sell your catch, beef lamb veg locally for a fair price. But that won't happen.  To many rules and regulations.  Plus the tac man wants his cut

Atb j 

I farm totally chemical free and to help out a bit towards the chicken feed I sell a few eggs, now I’m not organic because I don’t want to pay £300 for someone to give me a sticker but to all intents and purposes that’s how I’m farming.

Organic eggs are €3 for 6, I charge €2 for my eggs and €8 for a tray of 30......someone said to me the other day “That’s expensive, I can get 30 eggs for €3.50 down the paki shop”

My reply was “on you go then” because you just can’t argue with stupid  

Organic chicken feed is €15 a sack compared to €8 for non organic by the way.......same for all organic a animal feed, twice the price ! 
Farmers are getting the same money for organic lamb at the mart as they are for non organic ?.....there’s no reason to do right other than what your own heart tells you, the whole system is a bollocks mate 

[king 12,030]

6 minutes ago, jetro said:

And that my point. 

Only take what you need. I could spent all day every day out at sea, but why bother. A few days a year see me right for what I need.  

Pity it wasn't like that, sell your catch, beef lamb veg locally for a fair price. But that won't happen.  To many rules and regulations.  Plus the tac man wants his cut

Atb j 

Supermarkets have killed the village shops everywhere.communities gone forever.the veg shop.fish shop.shoe shop.paper shop iron mongers etc.its endless amounts of shops.

You can even get a key cut today by a machine in Tescos.

[WILF 50,303]

18 minutes ago, jetro said:

To many rules and regulations.  

Atb j 

Exactly that, I can only sell my eggs as “gate sales” otherwise it’s a whole rigmarole of forms, licenses, government departments blah blah blah 

 

[king 12,030]

3 minutes ago, WILF said:

Exactly that, I can only sell my eggs as “gate sales” otherwise it’s a whole rigmarole of forms, licenses, government departments blah blah blah 

 

For a few eggs.Its a bloody joke.

[jetro 5,349]

28 minutes ago, king said:

Supermarkets have killed the village shops everywhere.communities gone forever.the veg shop.fish shop.shoe shop.paper shop iron mongers etc.its endless amounts of shops.

You can even get a key cut today by a machine in Tescos.

Atb j