Inconvenient Truth - Cecil The Lion

[Born Hunter 17,959]

Well here's the latest installment of the Cecil trophy hunting saga.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/06/trophy-hunting-can-help-lion-conservation-says-government-commissioned/

 

Controversially the Director of the Oxford University Wildlife Conservation Research Unit has dared to state the obvious.

 

"Where trophy hunting is well regulated, transparent and devolves sufficient authority to the land managers, it has the potential to contribute to lion conservation."

The report adds: "The most fundamental benefit of trophy hunting to lion conservation is that it provides a financial incentive to maintain lion habitat that might otherwise be converted to non-wildlife land uses."

 

Lion Aid of course are outraged, LOL. Ironic then that they (Lion Aid) can't find a home for the 200 Lions in the Bubye conservancy in Zim' that need to be culled as the social media anti hunting campaign has caused lost revenues making the lion population unmanageable. http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2016/02/25/culling-to-conserve-a-hard-truth-for-lion-conservation/

 

Hundreds of lions are going to be wasted because plastic environmentalists can't control their f***ing emotions. It's just like Altcar, coursing banned and the next day thousands of hares killed because they are no longer an asset.

 

Perhaps someone should start a hashtag campaign on facebook......

Edited December 6, 2016 by Born Hunter

[mackem 29,921]

Cecil the lion was trial by media,walter palmer was villified because tree huggers and tasteless yak wool jumper wearers cant grasp the concept that lions arent cuddly little kittens and certainly arent endangered,but would be if it werent for hunting,lions nowadays in SA are bred for hunting,they are a farmable crop.

[Silversnake 1,099]

I don't think greenies and lefties care whether they make sense or actually help anyone or anything. They just like to spout idealogical nonsense that makes them think they have the moral high ground and feel self righteous. These are the most pathetic and dangerous people in civilised countries.

[Born Hunter 17,959]

I don't think greenies and lefties care whether they make sense or actually help anyone or anything. They just like to spout idealogical nonsense that makes them think they have the moral high ground and feel self righteous. These are the most pathetic and dangerous people in civilised countries.

 

The sad fact is that an awful lot of members of this forum are no different! This isn't just a problem with traditional Liberals, it's also prevalent across the political and social spectrum. The biggest craze of the 21stC is being outraged, doing a 'like, comment, share' and then signing a petition for 'justice'. At no point does truth, research or evidence come into that process.

 

And we're all guilty of it from time to time.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Born Hunter

[mackem 29,921]

People are delusional,on the anniversary of the lions death earlier this year some people held a moments silence vigil,meanwhile walter palmer didnt give a f**k and roared off into the sunset on another hunt in his porsche.

[jiggy 3,209]

The part I like is what do the antis think these captive lions eat I bet each one has 3 deer slaughtered per week to cover its needs

[Born Hunter 17,959]

The part I like is what do the antis think these captive lions eat I bet each one has 3 deer slaughtered per week to cover its needs

 

I'd like to point out that it's only really South Africa where lions are bred for ranch type hunting. Cecil was a wild lion and was hunted in open country designated for such around the highly protected national parks. The conservancies and private estates that operate in these lands provide conservation minded revenue streams that mean they act as conservation buffer zones between the national parks and the more destructive farming orientated and urbanised areas.

[mackem 29,921]

 

The part I like is what do the antis think these captive lions eat I bet each one has 3 deer slaughtered per week to cover its needs

 

I'd like to point out that it's only really South Africa where lions are bred for ranch type hunting. Cecil was a wild lion and was hunted in open country designated for such around the highly protected national parks. The conservancies and private estates that operate in these lands provide conservation minded revenue streams that mean they act as conservation buffer zones between the national parks and the more destructive farming orientated and urbanised areas.

I remember mugabe ranting and raging over the death of the lion and seething over the virtual rape of his lands wildlife by white hunters almost like the old colonial hunters,irony was lost on him as he was stood beside 2 stuffed lions a gift to him by some foreign dignitary who had shot them on a state visit to zim.

[jiggy 3,209]

 

 

The part I like is what do the antis think these captive lions eat I bet each one has 3 deer slaughtered per week to cover its needs

I'd like to point out that it's only really South Africa where lions are bred for ranch type hunting. Cecil was a wild lion and was hunted in open country designated for such around the highly protected national parks. The conservancies and private estates that operate in these lands provide conservation minded revenue streams that mean they act as conservation buffer zones between the national parks and the more destructive farming orientated and urbanised areas.

which means what? Will they shoot gazelles impalala or whatever to help a group of cubs or a young pride starting out to get a leg up the ladder. If humans wanted wild lion extinct they already would be its the call of dollars keeping them alive and in small numbers their worth more a bit like the value of gold goes up or down on availability.

[Born Hunter 17,959]

 

 

The part I like is what do the antis think these captive lions eat I bet each one has 3 deer slaughtered per week to cover its needs

I'd like to point out that it's only really South Africa where lions are bred for ranch type hunting. Cecil was a wild lion and was hunted in open country designated for such around the highly protected national parks. The conservancies and private estates that operate in these lands provide conservation minded revenue streams that mean they act as conservation buffer zones between the national parks and the more destructive farming orientated and urbanised areas.

which means what? Will they shoot gazelles impalala or whatever to help a group of cubs or a young pride starting out to get a leg up the ladder. If humans wanted wild lion extinct they already would be its the call of dollars keeping them alive and in small numbers their worth more a bit like the value of gold goes up or down on availability.

 

 

I think we're talking at cross purposes here. I just didn't want your 'captive lion' comment getting misinterpreted.

[mackem 29,921]

 

 

The part I like is what do the antis think these captive lions eat I bet each one has 3 deer slaughtered per week to cover its needs

I'd like to point out that it's only really South Africa where lions are bred for ranch type hunting. Cecil was a wild lion and was hunted in open country designated for such around the highly protected national parks. The conservancies and private estates that operate in these lands provide conservation minded revenue streams that mean they act as conservation buffer zones between the national parks and the more destructive farming orientated and urbanised areas.

which means what? Will they shoot gazelles impalala or whatever to help a group of cubs or a young pride starting out to get a leg up the ladder. If humans wanted wild lion extinct they already would be its the call of dollars keeping them alive and in small numbers their worth more a bit like the value of gold goes up or down on availability.

Yup,a decent maned lion is huntable for $25,000 thats worth more to the local economy than a few malnourished cows,and then their is the extra spending on tips to trackers,the PH etc,it all adds up in the local coffers.

[Born Hunter 17,959]

 

 

The part I like is what do the antis think these captive lions eat I bet each one has 3 deer slaughtered per week to cover its needs

I'd like to point out that it's only really South Africa where lions are bred for ranch type hunting. Cecil was a wild lion and was hunted in open country designated for such around the highly protected national parks. The conservancies and private estates that operate in these lands provide conservation minded revenue streams that mean they act as conservation buffer zones between the national parks and the more destructive farming orientated and urbanised areas.

I remember mugabe ranting and raging over the death of the lion and seething over the virtual rape of his lands wildlife by white hunters almost like the old colonial hunters,irony was lost on him as he was stood beside 2 stuffed lions a gift to him by some foreign dignitary who had shot them on a state visit to zim.

 

 

There's also something amusing (to me) that the namesake of this lion was one of histories greatest imperialists and literal racists. Something I doubt most of these bleeding heart #JusticeforCecil sorts have a clue of. Not that it invalidates their argument of course, but it'd just have to irritate them! LOL

Edited December 6, 2016 by Born Hunter

[jiggy 3,209]

 

 

 

 

The part I like is what do the antis think these captive lions eat I bet each one has 3 deer slaughtered per week to cover its needs

I'd like to point out that it's only really South Africa where lions are bred for ranch type hunting. Cecil was a wild lion and was hunted in open country designated for such around the highly protected national parks. The conservancies and private estates that operate in these lands provide conservation minded revenue streams that mean they act as conservation buffer zones between the national parks and the more destructive farming orientated and urbanised areas.

which means what? Will they shoot gazelles impalala or whatever to help a group of cubs or a young pride starting out to get a leg up the ladder. If humans wanted wild lion extinct they already would be its the call of dollars keeping them alive and in small numbers their worth more a bit like the value of gold goes up or down on availability.

I think we're talking at cross purposes here. I just didn't want your 'captive lion' comment getting misinterpreted.

understood it's sad to see most so called wild prides are probably managed and culled similar to deer here

[Waz 4,293]

 

 

 

The part I like is what do the antis think these captive lions eat I bet each one has 3 deer slaughtered per week to cover its needs

I'd like to point out that it's only really South Africa where lions are bred for ranch type hunting. Cecil was a wild lion and was hunted in open country designated for such around the highly protected national parks. The conservancies and private estates that operate in these lands provide conservation minded revenue streams that mean they act as conservation buffer zones between the national parks and the more destructive farming orientated and urbanised areas.

which means what? Will they shoot gazelles impalala or whatever to help a group of cubs or a young pride starting out to get a leg up the ladder. If humans wanted wild lion extinct they already would be its the call of dollars keeping them alive and in small numbers their worth more a bit like the value of gold goes up or down on availability.

Yup,a decent maned lion is huntable for $25,000 thats worth more to the local economy than a few malnourished cows,and then their is the extra spending on tips to trackers,the PH etc,it all adds up in the local coffers.

 

 

& when a malnourished cow is taken by a lion, id suppose the owner is recompensated in some way out of the revenue from hunting tourism - or at least should be.

[jiggy 3,209]

Like the other thread with the big white hunter and his death battle with leopard when in reality they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of big cats without injury and if there was it was usually the guide getting ate and forgotten about because of his colour. It reminds me of all the brave whites who climbed Everest when the sherpas done the same and carried the gear.lol I'm starting to sound like an anti but I'd like to read the books that the guides wrote to see what the truth was and how many sh1t themselves before running.