Goodbye Louis........

[WILF 49,714]

Im happy they have won it fella but it doesnt mean I like the manager just because they won summat.

If they had won league this year I still wouldnt like LVG because I dont like the style of football they playin. Thats why I dont think mourinhio is right, his track record shows he will win summat but he doesnt play excitin football does he.

I can understand that, I felt much the same about BFS but how can you say the likes of Martial, Rashford, Rooney don't bring excitement to a team or a game?

How do you want it to be mate ?

[WILF 49,714]

I understand Utd fans wanting Van Gael out they are one of the biggest clubs in world football but havent been able to make a serious attempt at winning the domestic league and will not even be competing for the Champions League its not good enough i get that.......what i dont get is completely rejecting your own traditions and history by getting in a manager who stands for everything your club is not surely there has to be a compromise somewhere.

Dont you think though mate that they are forgetting they had how ever many years of seeing one of the greatest teams ever?......yes people came and went but it was a core of players centred around the greatest manager football has ever seen IMHO

You don't just conjure that up again in a few seasons do you ?

[gnasher16 31,335]

 

I understand Utd fans wanting Van Gael out they are one of the biggest clubs in world football but havent been able to make a serious attempt at winning the domestic league and will not even be competing for the Champions League its not good enough i get that.......what i dont get is completely rejecting your own traditions and history by getting in a manager who stands for everything your club is not surely there has to be a compromise somewhere.

Dont you think though mate that they are forgetting they had how ever many years of seeing one of the greatest teams ever?......yes people came and went but it was a core of players centred around the greatest manager football has ever seen IMHO

You don't just conjure that up again in a few seasons do you ?

 

How are great sides built i dont know.......they had great sides before Fergie..... as one of the worlds great football clubs you would expect them to have some of the answers and at the moment they dont seem to have any.......i guess Mourinho is a short term answer but they are a big historic club who shouldnt be looking for a quick fix....but im f****d if i know what the long term solution is.

[NEWKID 28,423]

I don't want morhino there particularly I don't think he's the right fit, but we've all known it'll happen for ages.

LVG had stumbled through his time there, playing the youngsters was forced on him through injuries, it wasn't some big plan, infact im not sure he's had a plan at times. Dont forget LVG only has 1 more year on his contract, and he has always said that would be it, I think now is the right time to get a new manager in, but not sure it should be the special one!!

[WILF 49,714]

Well the best sides I have seen have been a good mixture of homegrown talent given time to develope mixed with clever buys and sales to eventually achieve what you want.

That's is not a short term game IMHO

 

You can buy in teams that just click certainly but you won't be getting no 10 seasons out of them IMHO, it's a 2 or 3 season job at best then you have to start again.....and pay the inflated prices to go with it.

Teams at the mercy of the agents then, again Jmho

[NEWKID 28,423]

 

 

I understand Utd fans wanting Van Gael out they are one of the biggest clubs in world football but havent been able to make a serious attempt at winning the domestic league and will not even be competing for the Champions League its not good enough i get that.......what i dont get is completely rejecting your own traditions and history by getting in a manager who stands for everything your club is not surely there has to be a compromise somewhere.

 

Dont you think though mate that they are forgetting they had how ever many years of seeing one of the greatest teams ever?......yes people came and went but it was a core of players centred around the greatest manager football has ever seen IMHO

You don't just conjure that up again in a few seasons do you ?

How are great sides built i dont know.......they had great sides before Fergie..... as one of the worlds great football clubs you would expect them to have some of the answers and at the moment they dont seem to have any.......i guess Mourinho is a short term answer but they are a big historic club who shouldnt be looking for a quick fix....but im f****d if i know what the long term solution is.

Stability Gnash, LVG was only 3 years, that's not the way IMO, someone like Koeman, pochettino, Hughes or even Klopp but in charge straight after moyes and given 5 years with a view to more, LVG was always only 3 years regardless, that was his terms

[NEWKID 28,423]

Well the best sides I have seen have been a good mixture of homegrown talent given time to develope mixed with clever buys and sales to eventually achieve what you want.

That's is not a short term game IMHO

You can buy in teams that just click certainly but you won't be getting no 10 seasons out of them IMHO, it's a 2 or 3 season job at best then you have to start again.....and pay the inflated prices to go with it.

Teams at the mercy of the agents then, again Jmho

I agree, hence LVG's appointment was wrong.

Great winning an FA cup, and it is fantastic (I still love the fa cup) but that doesn't mask he's the wrong bloke for the job for lots of reasons

[WILF 49,714]

Let's not forget, fans were calling for Fergies head early on and again towards the end and the club stuck with him......shows how much your average fan knows really don't it.

[NEWKID 28,423]

Let's not forget, fans were calling for Fergies head early on and again towards the end and the club stuck with him......shows how much your average fan knows really don't it.

Do you think LVG should do his last year and then be replaced??

Fergie had 5 hard years cause he was building the club from top to bottom, your right fans were unaware of the magnitude of the job, he changed the whole culture... Any fans calling for his head late in his career are twats.

LVG is gone end of next season anyway,

[gnasher16 31,335]

Well the best sides I have seen have been a good mixture of homegrown talent given time to develope mixed with clever buys and sales to eventually achieve what you want.

That's is not a short term game IMHO

 

You can buy in teams that just click certainly but you won't be getting no 10 seasons out of them IMHO, it's a 2 or 3 season job at best then you have to start again.....and pay the inflated prices to go with it.

Teams at the mercy of the agents then, again Jmho

I think the days of 4/5/6 homegrown players in teams at the very highest level are in the past now.....4 home grown first team players in a Barcelona/Madrid/Bayern side your talking about a quarter of a billions worth of players i think the shift has gone over to buying and selling at the biggest clubs apart from Messi what other elite players are playing at the club they was developed at ?.......for the majority of clubs homegrown players are more important than ever but the biggest clubs just dont need them any more i dont think......thats only my uneducated opinion of course !

[gnasher16 31,335]

 

Stability Gnash, LVG was only 3 years, that's not the way IMO, someone like Koeman, pochettino, Hughes or even Klopp but in charge straight after moyes and given 5 years with a view to more, LVG was always only 3 years regardless, that was his terms

 

Dont seem to be working for Arsenal does it and they are about the only club in England on par with Utd.......different reasons granted but theres just not the patience in the game at top level now to build i dont think.

[WILF 49,714]

Fair enough Gnasher, I get that mate.

I just see a marked difference in fans, I can only speake for what I believe about our little club but if a club like ours had Fergie and enjoyed the success he brought he would have been supported 100% by the fans if he had fielded a team of monkeys......you just would not have heard a bad word about the bloke!!

 

I just can't take fans seriously when they slate managers when only a couple of seasons previous they were slagging the greatest manager ever saying it's not good enough.

They just lack a bit of realism IMHO mate......the board are never going to keep such fans happy because they either don't know what they are saying or just wont be satisfied no matter what.

[NEWKID 28,423]

 

Stability Gnash, LVG was only 3 years, that's not the way IMO, someone like Koeman, pochettino, Hughes or even Klopp but in charge straight after moyes and given 5 years with a view to more, LVG was always only 3 years regardless, that was his terms

 

Dont seem to be working for Arsenal does it and they are about the only club in England on par with Utd.......different reasons granted but theres just not the patience in the game at top level now to build i dont think.

I think there is a diffence Gnash, arsenal are a money making club, would you ever imagine Fergie selling Wenger his best player (van persie) and then watch him go on and win the league thanks to 20 odd goals from him?? I don't think so

[NEWKID 28,423]

Fair enough Gnasher, I get that mate.

I just see a marked difference in fans, I can only speake for what I believe about our little club but if a club like ours had Fergie and enjoyed the success he brought he would have been supported 100% by the fans if he had fielded a team of monkeys......you just would not have heard a bad word about the bloke!!

I just can't take fans seriously when they slate managers when only a couple of seasons previous they were slagging the greatest manager ever saying it's not good enough.

They just lack a bit of realism IMHO mate......the board are never going to keep such fans happy because they either don't know what they are saying or just wont be satisfied no matter what.

Cmon Wilf, there's f***ing idiots at every club, you can't be that rose tinted surely??

 

LVG himself said it was only ever 3 years, he's done 2, would you wait another or get someone in for 5+ ?? Which is the right way IMO

[keepdiggin 9,567]

LOL.. you want to hear about watching shite football try following Sheffield Wednesday for the last 10 years week in week out, hopefully things are coming good for us since we got out of league 1 but to be pissed off when your manager has just landed the FA Cup? Well I wish I could be pissed off then.

Ian hendon, jon besweatherick, terry cooke, steve harkness still cringe at those times oh well we have fessi now onwards and upwards WAWAW