Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 well you did say it just you an your bible, no absolution no sacrament of penance......no heavenThat's the catholic way Dave, I do it Jesus way, be born again spiritually, when you accept Jesus, an repent, its a free gift of God, not works, lest any man boast.What happens to the non religious people, do they just hang about in purgatory?That's another catholic teaching, there's no mention of it in the bible mate.What if you don't repent or accept Jesus, where do they go? Believers get accepted into heaven but what about non believers? I think you know the answer to that mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.This is a massive problem for me because I like women, I believe in the empowerment of women and that they are equal to men they aren't "chattel" and it doesn't sit well with me that you can defeat a man and take HIS wifeIf you read the bible, you'd know, that they were cared for an were protected, Why are you quoting this if you don't believe, what do you beleive? I believe in science, logic and reason And I also mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 are you just a oneman band frazWhat do you mean? are you not affiliated to any church No mate 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo Duke 420 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I believe in science, logic and reason And I also mate. Don't you find science clashes with Genesis? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 No mate, not at all, define science for me, ,,,knowledge,,,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Or historical science, things that happened, in the past, an they try an assume what happened, or operational science, here an now, testable an observable.... Define it for me bo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 well you did say it just you an your bible, no absolution no sacrament of penance......no heavenThat's the catholic way Dave, I do it Jesus way, be born again spiritually, when you accept Jesus, an repent, its a free gift of God, not works, lest any man boast.What happens to the non religious people, do they just hang about in purgatory?That's another catholic teaching, there's no mention of it in the bible mate.What if you don't repent or accept Jesus, where do they go? Believers get accepted into heaven but what about non believers? I think you know the answer to that mate. So your saying they'll go to hell, what if these people have led good lives but don't except the lord? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo Duke 420 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I'm afraid it's not for me to define science I can point you to a dictionary and you can use that as a definition Johnnyboy in answer to your question, nobody goes to Hell anymore as the C of E decided to do away with hell in the 1920's so it no longer exists ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 well you did say it just you an your bible, no absolution no sacrament of penance......no heavenThat's the catholic way Dave, I do it Jesus way, be born again spiritually, when you accept Jesus, an repent, its a free gift of God, not works, lest any man boast.What happens to the non religious people, do they just hang about in purgatory?That's another catholic teaching, there's no mention of it in the bible mate.What if you don't repent or accept Jesus, where do they go? Believers get accepted into heaven but what about non believers?I think you know the answer to that mate. So your saying they'll go to hell, what if these people have led good lives but don't except the lord? What is a good life, good depends on who you asked, Hitler thought he done good, ex prime ministers thought they done good, invading other countries, the RSPCA thought they done good, Brian may thinks he done good, what is good to you johnny, do you beleive in sins? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo Duke 420 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Hitler thought God was on his side that's why he thought his final solution was good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I'm afraid it's not for me to define science I can point you to a dictionary and you can use that as a definition image.jpg Johnnyboy in answer to your question, nobody goes to Hell anymore as the C of E decided to do away with hell in the 1920's so it no longer exists ? Well bo here's a scientific fact for you from genisis, testable an observable every day. Animals bring forth after their kind, in the natural world, dogs produce dogs, lions produce lions, monkeys produce monkeys, horses produce horse, bird produce bird, an so on. Evolution has no scientific testable an observable evidence for its theory, only assumptions on what could of happened, no hard evidence, therefore not scientific. In my opinion, before someone blows a fuse, lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bo Duke 420 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Evolution is a theory and it speaks to me I can see how it happened I can understand it and it makes perfect sense. It's beautiful and awe inspiring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Hitler thought God was on his side that's why he thought his final solution was good. Yeah his own made up God in his head, not the God of the bible, that's idolatary, he went to bed each night, with a copy of h p blavoskys book the secret doctrine, check it out, explains a lot really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Evolution is a theory and it speaks to me I can see how it happened I can understand it and it makes perfect sense. It's beautiful and awe inspiring. But its not scientific really is it, not testable or observable is it. Before we go any further, whats your definition of evolution, we done hundreds of pages before about this, round an round, I think cause we had different notions of it, an I wouldn't be arsed to do that again. Which one do you want to discuss mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the big bang Chemical evolution: all elements evolved from hydrogen Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another Micro-evolution: variations form within the kind Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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