VWman 232 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 22 bigger pellet harder hitting and for proper shooters as 177 is only used by shooters who like to think they can shoot :whistling: atvbmac IT's NOT harder hitting , if both .177 and .22 pellets are hitting the target @6ft/lb ,thats 6 ft/lb for both , mac are you having a blonde moment sorry to confuse vwman but mac is correct .22 does hit harder. Power is not as simple as the ft lb reading that's just the velocity at the muzzle. a .22 running exactly the same power as a .177 in ft lb at the muzzle and identical pellets just bigger the .22 will retain more power down range due to the ballistic coefficient being roughly 25% better. larger pellet holds more energy down range, heavier pellets carry more momentum even in the same power either way both are capable if you can put the pellet where it counts This was the point I was trying to make in another thread. It is hard to pick between a 4.5 and a 5.5 and I know that they are both great rifles. I don't want to cause a war between the 177 and 22 boys but how people find the rifles in the field helps me to make my choice. Just to confirm if you kept moving the targets away 5 foot at a time would there come a point when only the 177 could reach it. I am thinking 65 yards and beyond. Also do they out perform say a pro tuned hw97/77 ? Thanks for all the feed back. 1 Quote Link to post
villaman 9,982 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 22 bigger pellet harder hitting and for proper shooters as 177 is only used by shooters who like to think they can shoot :whistling: atvbmac IT's NOT harder hitting , if both .177 and .22 pellets are hitting the target @6ft/lb ,thats 6 ft/lb for both , mac are you having a blonde moment sorry to confuse vwman but mac is correct .22 does hit harder. Power is not as simple as the ft lb reading that's just the velocity at the muzzle. a .22 running exactly the same power as a .177 in ft lb at the muzzle and identical pellets just bigger the .22 will retain more power down range due to the ballistic coefficient being roughly 25% better. larger pellet holds more energy down range, heavier pellets carry more momentum even in the same power either way both are capable if you can put the pellet where it counts How come a 10.3 gr pellet in .177 has a BC of .030 ,better than most .22 , like I said in another post 6 ftlb hitting a target whether its .177 , .22 or a bag of feathers is still 6 ft/lb . People must be getting mixed up with surface area of a projectile and larger pellets don't always hold more energy down range ,take a look at this ,bit of a long read but worth it http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/174275-Massive-177-JSB-Pellet-Velocity-Test-0-50-metres Quote Link to post
villaman 9,982 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 22 bigger pellet harder hitting and for proper shooters as 177 is only used by shooters who like to think they can shoot :whistling: atvbmac IT's NOT harder hitting , if both .177 and .22 pellets are hitting the target @6ft/lb ,thats 6 ft/lb for both , mac are you having a blonde moment sorry to confuse vwman but mac is correct .22 does hit harder. Power is not as simple as the ft lb reading that's just the velocity at the muzzle. a .22 running exactly the same power as a .177 in ft lb at the muzzle and identical pellets just bigger the .22 will retain more power down range due to the ballistic coefficient being roughly 25% better. larger pellet holds more energy down range, heavier pellets carry more momentum even in the same power either way both are capable if you can put the pellet where it counts This was the point I was trying to make in another thread. It is hard to pick between a 4.5 and a 5.5 and I know that they are both great rifles. I don't want to cause a war between the 177 and 22 boys but how people find the rifles in the field helps me to make my choice. Just to confirm if you kept moving the targets away 5 foot at a time would there come a point when only the 177 could reach it. I am thinking 65 yards and beyond. Also do they out perform say a pro tuned hw97/77 ? Thanks for all the feed back. IMO a PCP will out perform a springer at distance because you can use bipods on a PCP and that's the only reason and why would want to shooting 65 yards and beyond , if you want to do that type of shooting ,go and get fac like 17hmr or .22 live !! 1 Quote Link to post
treecreeper 1,136 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 22 bigger pellet harder hitting and for proper shooters as 177 is only used by shooters who like to think they can shoot :whistling: atvbmac IT's NOT harder hitting , if both .177 and .22 pellets are hitting the target @6ft/lb ,thats 6 ft/lb for both , mac are you having a blonde moment sorry to confuse vwman but mac is correct .22 does hit harder. Power is not as simple as the ft lb reading that's just the velocity at the muzzle. a .22 running exactly the same power as a .177 in ft lb at the muzzle and identical pellets just bigger the .22 will retain more power down range due to the ballistic coefficient being roughly 25% better. larger pellet holds more energy down range, heavier pellets carry more momentum even in the same power either way both are capable if you can put the pellet where it counts How come a 10.3 gr pellet in .177 has a BC of .030 ,better than most .22 , like I said in another post 6 ftlb hitting a target whether its .177 , .22 or a bag of feathers is still 6 ft/lb . People must be getting mixed up with surface area of a projectile and larger pellets don't always hold more energy down range ,take a look at this ,bit of a long read but worth it http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/174275-Massive-177-JSB-Pellet-Velocity-Test-0-50-metres I had a read of that vm, iv also done my own testing all be it a bit simpler that that one. You are correct 6ftlb at the target is 6ftlb at the target but 6ftlb with a little hammer will hurt less than 6ftlb with a bigger hammer. we can settle this easy enough mac shot himself with a .22 so if he shoots himself with a .177 and tells us which hurt the most 4 Quote Link to post
bigmac 97kt 13,823 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Feck off they will both hurt you can test that one your self atvbmac :thumbs: 1 Quote Link to post
villaman 9,982 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 22 bigger pellet harder hitting and for proper shooters as 177 is only used by shooters who like to think they can shoot :whistling: atvbmac IT's NOT harder hitting , if both .177 and .22 pellets are hitting the target @6ft/lb ,thats 6 ft/lb for both , mac are you having a blonde moment sorry to confuse vwman but mac is correct .22 does hit harder. Power is not as simple as the ft lb reading that's just the velocity at the muzzle. a .22 running exactly the same power as a .177 in ft lb at the muzzle and identical pellets just bigger the .22 will retain more power down range due to the ballistic coefficient being roughly 25% better. larger pellet holds more energy down range, heavier pellets carry more momentum even in the same power either way both are capable if you can put the pellet where it counts How come a 10.3 gr pellet in .177 has a BC of .030 ,better than most .22 , like I said in another post 6 ftlb hitting a target whether its .177 , .22 or a bag of feathers is still 6 ft/lb . People must be getting mixed up with surface area of a projectile and larger pellets don't always hold more energy down range ,take a look at this ,bit of a long read but worth it http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/174275-Massive-177-JSB-Pellet-Velocity-Test-0-50-metres I had a read of that vm, iv also done my own testing all be it a bit simpler that that one. You are correct 6ftlb at the target is 6ftlb at the target but 6ftlb with a little hammer will hurt less than 6ftlb with a bigger hammer. we can settle this easy enough mac shot himself with a .22 so if he shoots himself with a .177 and tells us which hurt the most :lol: Quote Link to post
Rez 4,961 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Was this a serious question VW? 1 Quote Link to post
VWman 232 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 22 bigger pellet harder hitting and for proper shooters as 177 is only used by shooters who like to think they can shoot :whistling: atvbmac IT's NOT harder hitting , if both .177 and .22 pellets are hitting the target @6ft/lb ,thats 6 ft/lb for both , mac are you having a blonde moment sorry to confuse vwman but mac is correct .22 does hit harder. Power is not as simple as the ft lb reading that's just the velocity at the muzzle. a .22 running exactly the same power as a .177 in ft lb at the muzzle and identical pellets just bigger the .22 will retain more power down range due to the ballistic coefficient being roughly 25% better. larger pellet holds more energy down range, heavier pellets carry more momentum even in the same power either way both are capable if you can put the pellet where it counts How come a 10.3 gr pellet in .177 has a BC of .030 ,better than most .22 , like I said in another post 6 ftlb hitting a target whether its .177 , .22 or a bag of feathers is still 6 ft/lb . People must be getting mixed up with surface area of a projectile and larger pellets don't always hold more energy down range ,take a look at this ,bit of a long read but worth it http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/174275-Massive-177-JSB-Pellet-Velocity-Test-0-50-metres I had a read of that vm, iv also done my own testing all be it a bit simpler that that one. You are correct 6ftlb at the target is 6ftlb at the target but 6ftlb with a little hammer will hurt less than 6ftlb with a bigger hammer. we can settle this easy enough mac shot himself with a .22 so if he shoots himself with a .177 and tells us which hurt the most LOL sorry mac. Quote Link to post
VWman 232 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Was this a serious question VW? Was what a serious question, does the 177 shoot further than the 22 hw 100. What I am picking up from the 4.5 shooters is that they will shoot the 22 out of the park which is just making me think of a tunes 97k and settle for that and btw I have never seen any posts on here about 97's having any drops in power or other problems. I am not sure about the 100 so I think I will pass for now. May be i need to see them in action. Someone said that if you want to shoot 65 yards to get a rimfire well if a 100 will not do that then i may as well keep my springers. Quote Link to post
Rez 4,961 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Was this a serious question VW? Was what a serious question, does the 177 shoot further than the 22 hw 100.What I am picking up from the 4.5 shooters is that they will shoot the 22 out of the park which is just making me think of a tunes 97k and settle for that and btw I have never seen any posts on here about 97's having any drops in power or other problems. I am not sure about the 100 so I think I will pass for now. May be i need to see them in action. Someone said that if you want to shoot 65 yards to get a rimfire well if a 100 will not do that then i may as well keep my springers. The actual question was can it take rabbits at the same distance. Yes. If you do want to shoot at 65 yards, get a rimmie. Yes. Keep your springers. Quote Link to post
VWman 232 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Was this a serious question VW? Was what a serious question, does the 177 shoot further than the 22 hw 100.What I am picking up from the 4.5 shooters is that they will shoot the 22 out of the park which is just making me think of a tunes 97k and settle for that and btw I have never seen any posts on here about 97's having any drops in power or other problems. I am not sure about the 100 so I think I will pass for now. May be i need to see them in action. Someone said that if you want to shoot 65 yards to get a rimfire well if a 100 will not do that then i may as well keep my springers. The actual question was can it take rabbits at the same distance. Yes. If you do want to shoot at 65 yards, get a rimmie. Yes. Keep your springers. Rez if the 100 can't make 65 yards whats the point in getting one and what would be the point in shooting a rimfire 65 yards unless you have a back stop. And yes I will be keeping my springers and also getting some more to go with them. I thought the 100 was supposed to be a super tool and could reach out past the springers. I am not saying that 65 yards would be an every day shot but it would be nice to think I could pull off a good shot at that distance as you have to have things to reach for to improve my shooting. Quote Link to post
treecreeper 1,136 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 The hw100 is a super tool as are most of the top pcps, but if you want to improve your shooting skills stick with the 97. It will teach you a whole lot more than any pcp will. 1 Quote Link to post
VWman 232 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 The hw100 is a super tool as are most of the top pcps, but if you want to improve your shooting skills stick with the 97. It will teach you a whole lot more than any pcp will. Yes that's good advice, I have a hw77 and a hw95 and I love them. At the moment I can't put the 95k down and am shooting pigeons every night. We will be doing some ratting soon and am looking forward to that. I have not been up the fields for rabbits yet as I am having so much fun around the barns. There are only about 4 lines of fire that are safe and the springer is doing a good job. Quote Link to post
mark williams 7,563 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 The hw100 is a super tool as are most of the top pcps, but if you want to improve your shooting skills stick with the 97. It will teach you a whole lot more than any pcp will. Interesting point TC , in what way ? Quote Link to post
villaman 9,982 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Was this a serious question VW? Was what a serious question, does the 177 shoot further than the 22 hw 100.What I am picking up from the 4.5 shooters is that they will shoot the 22 out of the park which is just making me think of a tunes 97k and settle for that and btw I have never seen any posts on here about 97's having any drops in power or other problems. I am not sure about the 100 so I think I will pass for now. May be i need to see them in action. Someone said that if you want to shoot 65 yards to get a rimfire well if a 100 will not do that then i may as well keep my springers. The actual question was can it take rabbits at the same distance. Yes. If you do want to shoot at 65 yards, get a rimmie. Yes. Keep your springers. Rez if the 100 can't make 65 yards whats the point in getting one and what would be the point in shooting a rimfire 65 yards unless you have a back stop. And yes I will be keeping my springers and also getting some more to go with them. I thought the 100 was supposed to be a super tool and could reach out past the springers. I am not saying that 65 yards would be an every day shot but it would be nice to think I could pull off a good shot at that distance as you have to have things to reach for to improve my shooting. What the hell you are on ,it baffles me Quote Link to post
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