David.evans 5,323 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Hw 100 in 177 8.4 g =770 fps 10 .4 g = 710 fps Jsb monsters at 13.4 g 620 fps Is that about the speed of your guns with .22 cal They must have some hitting power at shorter ranges Sure fire kill for rats ? Just out of interest what's your thoughts Atb Dave Quote Link to post
treecreeper 1,136 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 From your figures the 10.4 heavies give the most power. Iv never had a problem dropping rats with the 8.4s with headshots though. 612fps is about the 12ftlb with .22 superdomes (14.5g). Quote Link to post
villaman 9,982 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 620- 625 fps with Falcon accuracy plus 13.4gr , JSB heavies 10.3 gr 712-715 fps Quote Link to post
Durham John 693 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Second the above for falcon acc's plus, @ 622 fps + or - 4fps in .22 Edited July 21, 2015 by Durham John Quote Link to post
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 My .177 Cometa ynx is spitting Bisley magnums out at 707 fps and they are 10.65 grain which is 11.82 ftlbs, these are the most efficient pellets in the rifle, believe me, head or neck shot rats and rabbits drop on the spot. Quote Link to post
VWman 232 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 As a new guy I thought that .22 would be better for hunting, I know that .177 fly flatter but if they both hit the target a .22 must hit harder ?. Quote Link to post
jonnie bravo 572 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Seen a few youtube vids of h&n extreme hunters impressive stuff think I'll be banging them through the 99 if they shoot well Quote Link to post
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 They were absolute mustard through my hw 77, deadly, the 99s did shoot them ok but not as well as the 77, but of course yours may well be different, going to try them in .22 in the new 99s. Quote Link to post
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 As a new guy I thought that .22 would be better for hunting, I know that .177 fly flatter but if they both hit the target a .22 must hit harder ?. If both pellets arrive at the target doing lets say 9ftlbs, how can one "hit harder" than the other? The striking force is the same, the .177 will penetrate further as it has a smaller surface area and is travelling faster, so may not dump all its energy into the target, but we are talking about shooting a rabbit with an air rifle, not a deer @ 250 yards and discussing the merits of say a .243 v .308 using expanding ammunition, a head or neck shot on a rabbit or similar quarry will cause instant death, irrespective of calibre. 2 Quote Link to post
VWman 232 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 As a new guy I thought that .22 would be better for hunting, I know that .177 fly flatter but if they both hit the target a .22 must hit harder ?. If both pellets arrive at the target doing lets say 9ftlbs, how can one "hit harder" than the other? The striking force is the same, the .177 will penetrate further as it has a smaller surface area and is travelling faster, so may not dump all its energy into the target, but we are talking about shooting a rabbit with an air rifle, not a deer @ 250 yards and discussing the merits of say a .243 v .308 using expanding ammunition, a head or neck shot on a rabbit or similar quarry will cause instant death, irrespective of calibre. Hello Charlie You say if both hit the target at say 9ftlbs but I am saying that the .22 would not be the same hit as a .177 because of it's bulk unless you mean a .177 of the same bulk weight. Is that what you mean. If that is the case would the .177 fly as straight as the lighter pellet and if so why bother having .22 ?. BTW I thought that say a HW100 in .177 would make mince meat out of pigeons and rabbits ?. Quote Link to post
VWman 232 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 They were absolute mustard through my hw 77, deadly, the 99s did shoot them ok but not as well as the 77, but of course yours may well be different, going to try them in .22 in the new 99s. That is good to Know as I have a HW 77. Quote Link to post
villaman 9,982 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 As a new guy I thought that .22 would be better for hunting, I know that .177 fly flatter but if they both hit the target a .22 must hit harder ?. Like charlie said both will hit the same 1 Quote Link to post
VWman 232 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 As a new guy I thought that .22 would be better for hunting, I know that .177 fly flatter but if they both hit the target a .22 must hit harder ?. Like charlie said both will hit the same If the .22 pellet has more weight how can that be, or are you saying both pellets of the same weight ?. Just asking as I can see that the .177 seems to have a stronger following than I thought. Have I missed the point. are we saying that if a .177 was loaded with the same weight pellet that the impact would be the same so you could use a .177 instead of having one of each ?. Quote Link to post
villaman 9,982 Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) 9ft/lb of energy when you hit your target whether its .177 ,.22 or a bag of feather , is 9ft\lb You might be getting mixed up with surface area of a pellet Edited July 23, 2015 by villaman 1 Quote Link to post
mark williams 7,568 Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Ditto to above, if i throw a house brick at your chest from 35 yds and it hits you with a force of 9 ft/lbs (figures sake) and then i throw half a brick the same distance to hit you with 9ft/lbs of kinetic energy - what is the difference ? 1, Trajectory 2, Velocity With a brick Edited July 23, 2015 by mark williams 1 Quote Link to post
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