zandy01 3,575 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Obviously we don't know what has and hasn't been said but surely the "deer stalking" man in Dumfries should've asked if person had shot any live quarry before and asked about rifle/equipment going to be used ??? Quite naive on his part too I think unless he been fed bullsh1t... Maybe someone could take some time to write or copy and paste from other websites/forums some informative information on hunting live quarry for new and experienced hunters ??? Maybe something the mods could pin ??? Also - zakmuh, you should maybe have a look on buy/sell part of forum and ask lads advice on 2nd hand rifle more suitable for hunting/targets... Get used to rifle and scope, judge ranges etc and keep practicing.... But keep practicing on targets for next few month at least and keep at em until you can take the bull out from every 5yrds from 20 - 45 yards... Take on all the help from previous posts, keep asking for help and tips... Stay away from any live quarry though fella... 1 Quote Link to post
bigmac 97kt 13,735 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Get say,d rifle go to car put rifle in car boot drive to nearest recycle center get rifle out of boot walk over to skip take rifle by the barrel in both hands hold it up above your head smash rifle on side of skip then throw it into the skip get back in car and go to gun shop and buy a proper rifle atvbmac :thumbs: 1 Quote Link to post
bigmac 97kt 13,735 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Obviously we don't know what has and hasn't been said but surely the "deer stalking" man in Dumfries should've asked if person had shot any live quarry before and asked about rifle/equipment going to be used ??? Quite naive on his part too I think unless he been fed bullsh1t... Maybe someone could take some time to write or copy and paste from other websites/forums some informative information on hunting live quarry for new and experienced hunters ??? Maybe something the mods could pin ??? Also - zakmuh, you should maybe have a look on buy/sell part of forum and ask lads advice on 2nd hand rifle more suitable for hunting/targets... Get used to rifle and scope, judge ranges etc and keep practicing.... But keep practicing on targets for next few month at least and keep at em until you can take the bull out from every 5yrds from 20 - 45 yards... Take on all the help from previous posts, keep asking for help and tips... Stay away from any live quarry though fella... Every forum has stickies and numerous threads about these subjects but newcomers don't seem to find them. BASC have everything in simple English. I've pointed out the law on various threads on here and other forums and got abuse for it from people who think the law(and common sense) doesn't apply to them. Mac will testify to that! I think some education at the point of sale would be better, maybe a booklet containing the basic rules and general advice that should be signed for and agreed by the person buying the rifle. I don't like the idea of a licence but it will come eventually because of airgunners who either don't know or don't care. I can bud i can iv warned loads of new lads that you will come along and tell them off lol and you have told me to on a few occasions to atvb mate,mac :thumbs: Quote Link to post
David Aiken 253 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) That gentlemen said that my gun isnt powerfull enough to kill but bruise them and I would need a 22 one if I want to kill a rabbit. Is he refering to .22 calibre rifle? Should I get a PCP or Co2 one? The link use in this post? Umarex Ruger Blackhawk .177? Anyone know its spec? All I have found points to a FAC air rifle, so probably unsuitable? Edited July 27, 2015 by David Aiken Quote Link to post
bigmac 97kt 13,735 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 But i still loves ya Right im off to Finnish me knitting iv dropped a stitch atvbmac :thumbs: Quote Link to post
zakmuh 1 Posted July 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Thanks everyone. I find every reply a good piece of friendly advice One step at a time.....The very first thing I did even before touching the rifle was getting the FAC info from firearm department. Then I did loads of Youtube and google search to know about rifle and rabbit/pigeon shooting. Then I went and bought the rifle and practised to 10, 20 and 30 yards shooting following the advice from this and some other forums and thats why I think I managed to target and hit all four rabbits (though it wasnt a kill). So now what I understand from you all are saying is that either a 177 or 22 is good enough to kill a rabbit but the killing power depends on a good quality rifle. I should be looking at at least £500 for a perfect hunting I guess. bigmac 97kt, huge thanks for the list of rifles . All these are PCPs. So can I take springers are not good for hunting? Cheers Edited July 28, 2015 by zakmuh 1 Quote Link to post
SimonC_Here 36 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 That gentlemen said that my gun isnt powerfull enough to kill but bruise them and I would need a 22 one if I want to kill a rabbit. Is he refering to .22 calibre rifle? Should I get a PCP or Co2 one? The link use in this post? Umarex Ruger Blackhawk .177? Anyone know its spec? All I have found points to a FAC air rifle, so probably unsuitable? It advertised as "full power" I just don't think the guy can shoot, he needs more practice. http://www.sportsguns.co.uk/bargains/rugerered-1.html Quote Link to post
zandy01 3,575 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Thanks everyone. I find every reply a good piece of friendly advice One step at a time.....The very first thing I did even before touching the rifle was getting the FAC info from firearm department. Then I did loads of Youtube and google search to know about rifle and rabbit/pigeon shooting. Then I went and bought the rifle and practised to 10, 20 and 30 yards shooting following the advice from this and some other forums and thats why I think I managed to target and hit all four rabbits (though it wasnt a kill). So can I take springers are not good for hunting? Cheers I think you need to do a hell of a lot more practicing and research but on targets only and maybe try just sticking to one forum like THL (here), ask plenty questions, do plenty reading and take on board what very experienced people are telling you... Springers are cracking for hunting though possibly a little on the heavier side to carry about all day/night... Look out for the big brand names - weirach, Webley, air arms, BSA and the likes... Well built and made rifles more than capable of doing the job when the time comes but you need to stay away from live quarry for a good few month and just put tin after tin of pellets through card targets until 100% bullseye at all ranges... As been said before, try and find a rifle range close to your area and spend every spare hour up there practicing, learning and gettibg to grips with rifle, pellets, distance etc... Quote Link to post
bigmac 97kt 13,735 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Springers are a cracking tool in the right hands and if you practice and keep practicing with it just look at pianoman he is a legend with a spring rifle on live targets and range targets i to hunt with both pcp and spring and just because it say,s full power dose not mean it is and the top half of the list are pcp rifles up to where it say,s springers then the rest are spring rifles the rifle is just part of the kit ,scopes , you need a good scope to go on the rifle like mtc, and so on The difference between a £120 rifle and a £500 rifle is cheep ones are just throwen together and then sent out the door for sale good ones are put together a lot better more accurate and often with better parts and barrels and will last a life time atvbmac :thumbs: 1 Quote Link to post
zakmuh 1 Posted July 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Excellent advice Quote Link to post
zakmuh 1 Posted July 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I would like to close this topic with the following conclusion: Looking for a land to shoot just one rabbit in Highlands, there is no common land;most of them are owned by estates like Dunecht Estates, Coolin Hills Estates etc and most of them have agreement with shooting sports agents like Roxton, Dunmhor, Bell Ingram etc. Therefore it has to be done through these agents for the price ranging from £50 to £200 per day (higher price for deer hunting though). Cairngorms National Park helped me enormously to find these estate agents to get permission. Driving 1350 miles, approaching around 30 odd farmers for permission, only 2 let me in. Next time I would definitely go with one of the above mentioned agents for a peace of mind Cheers Quote Link to post
walshie 2,804 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Approaching 30 farmers and getting a yes of 2 of them is pretty good going. Quote Link to post
abarrett 461 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 1350 miles to shoot rabbits ?? You must have spent more on the fuel there and back Than you did on your rifle There must be rabbits in Nottingham somewhere Hope it works out for you Atb Quote Link to post
David Aiken 253 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 That gentlemen said that my gun isnt powerfull enough to kill but bruise them and I would need a 22 one if I want to kill a rabbit. Is he refering to .22 calibre rifle? Should I get a PCP or Co2 one? The link use in this post? Umarex Ruger Blackhawk .177? Anyone know its spec? All I have found points to a FAC air rifle, so probably unsuitable? It advertised as "full power" I just don't think the guy can shoot, he needs more practice. http://www.sportsguns.co.uk/bargains/rugerered-1.html It says 1000 fps, if he used 8.4 grain then this rifle is 18.66 ft lbs so a FAC rifle and probably not sutable Quote Link to post
zakmuh 1 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Well I didn't go only for hunting; it was part of my annual Highlands road trip. I think I spent Á £150 on fuel (Pug 206 1.6). I tried in Notts for rabbits but had no luck. Maybe I didnt try enough. David, the gun shop guy told me it's 11 ft lbs. I even cheked with Notts firearm depratment and they confirm that I dont need FAC for this range rifles. Now Ive exchanged that Ruger rifle with Hatson 900x 177. Hatson's wood feels nice and it shoots excellent. Cheers Hatson 900X (£129 local dealer): http://www.sportsguns.co.uk/bargains/hatsssdfgsd-1.html Edited July 31, 2015 by zakmuh Quote Link to post
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