Wonder With The Pup! Retrieve Not Up To Much

[AlwaysRunning 85]

Well got home from work and took the pup out for a wander.

 

Just the usual walk round the local park with the usual s**t really,noticed a better number of rabbits and baby's about which is good to see there hasn't been many about in here for a while.

 

Anyway more to them pointo at 9 months I thought I had this pup pretty much were i wanted him. He was jumping,sitting,Down,staying and retrieving (fur dummys bottles etc). good recall, good on the lead.

 

Well that has all changed now he goes through fences has started pulling on the lead and to top it off well, towards the end of the walk I heard sqeaking in bramble next to me.... so plowed on in as the pup wasnt so kean.

 

only to find a baby rabbit just dieing was thinking maybe a stoat or weasel had just had it which I must of scared of on my way through the bramble.Anyway so I thought oh well better not let it go to waste used it to help train my pups retrieve as I new his retrieve on live wasn't to hand but to feet, So I threw it for him now usually he would bring it within A foot to me never to hahand with quarry but not this time would he f**K bring it back anyway had to wait till he got board and dropped it some way away then came back put him on the lead, went and got the rabbit and give him a few throws in the back which resulted in the same so back on lead and back to basics.

 

Is this what this pup needs bearing in mind he was spot on before put sometime in this pup and seen alot of potential really hope this isnt a downward spiral as it seems to becoming worse every time out or every attempt to train now and for thoughs of you who don't like post without pictures here he is from a pup to now.

 

Atb AR

[haymin 2,465]

You can do a stiffmeister special , or just go out play with the dog maybe give him one retrieve when he's all excited don't over do it bond with him have a restle and play about he'll be fine ? and slacken that coller a bit ?

[AlwaysRunning 85]

You can do a stiffmeister special , or just go out play with the dog maybe give him one retrieve when he's all excited don't over do it bond with him have a restle and play about he'll be fine and slacken that coller a bit

Thats generally what I do with him tbh mate 3 commands maximum see how the dogs body language is but it's like he's switched of entirely mate

[haymin 2,465]

He'll be fine lad ,he may be fed up retrieving giving him to much he'll come good again ??

[J Darcy 5,871]

It's a puppy going through puberty. Put it away from quarry for a month or two and give it a rest until it's over the silly stage. JMHO.

[AlwaysRunning 85]

Thanks lads only my second running dog my old one was alot easier than this pup to train up.

 

I'll take your advise on board and slow it down abit and jd silly stage is what I should of called it in the first place mate.

 

will keep you posted

 

Atb AR

[skycat 6,174]

... and slacken that collar a bit!

[AlwaysRunning 85]

... and slacken that collar a bit!

There's is room for two fingers in that collar skycat it falls off him if any looser

Edited April 17, 2015 by AlwaysRunning

[FERRETBOY 680]

lovely hound AR... im going through the same stage with my young bitch. I had her retrieving rabbits and even a pigeon to hand alive and kicking. Then I let her double up when out mooching and it totally fecked everything up. She even went through a stage of not wanting to chase even balls so I have stopped hunting with the season ending and im just trying my hardest to not hunt with her. She has just started playing fetch which is great and bringing ball back to hand. I just hope it continues onto live quarry. I fancy taking her shooting or decoying so she gets some retrieve training plus sit and stay. good luck chap.

[AlwaysRunning 85]

lovely hound AR... im going through the same stage with my young bitch. I had her retrieving rabbits and even a pigeon to hand alive and kicking. Then I let her double up when out mooching and it totally fecked everything up. She even went through a stage of not wanting to chase even balls so I have stopped hunting with the season ending and im just trying my hardest to not hunt with her. She has just started playing fetch which is great and bringing ball back to hand. I just hope it continues onto live quarry. I fancy taking her shooting or decoying so she gets some retrieve training plus sit and stay. good luck chap.

 

Thanks rew, that's sound very similar to this pup so it may have been the doubled up that has done It had him out and took it easy with him gonna bring it back to basics again I think got all summer to get him in shape training wise, and Goodluck with your bitch let me know how you get on, what might help your bitch may well just help this pup abit.

 

Atb AR

[Casso 1,264]

My grandfather used to say " let a pup lie round for the first 10 months , I never paid much heed because I couldn't understand it ,

Folks are always trying to train pups early now as if there is some magical time span you have to have him doing stuff by or he'll be backward or wild and completely unsocial

 

Pups are born social the trick is to keep them that way until drive kicks in , then We can start training in earnest , seems to be a lot of running dog owners focus on training early then feel pup is trained by 10 months and suddenly it all goes arse over tit and the reason for it is the pup once sexuality kicks in is looking through the world through a new driven mindset ,

 

He is now looking At the world through the lens of a predator and if we have been too confrontational stock breaking or training up to that point we are too much resistance to him we are also too predator like to him and all he is interested in is prey making

 

Predator/predator interaction causes too much resistance for the pup , predator / prey interaction is easily that's why we then have trouble recalling or just about anything and it's also why the pup is much more interested in other dogs cats or just about anything with a prey like essence to it

We would have much better results if we just managed for the first few months , no confrontation , all positive interaction then when drive kicks and the pup is looking to interact in earnest we manipulate the call of the wild not fight it in the belief we need to tame the pup by training as early as we can

[AlwaysRunning 85]

That's and intresting point Casso and a good one at that sp how do you go about getting nf your dogs to retrieve and do your basic commands once out of the puppy stage?

 

AR

[Casso 1,264]

training commands is easy once you create a desire for something in the dog , a ball a tug item whatever it is , it's training in the same frame of mind where the dog is usually running away from you in , but the pup must be managed so he can't get himself into trouble in the earlier months ,

 

A young dog is easier to work with once you haven't corrected him for misdemeanours growing up, a pup is more interested in something if he can fully express himself in it and that includes us , when we confront pups for biting or stock breaking whatever it is we put a kink into the bond,

[AlwaysRunning 85]

Took to pm mate