Cocker Or Beagle Cross

[Guest foxpack]

 

[day and night walker 233]

That is a cracking looking pup sam, it sounds as though she hunts for scent and not just when their is scent about. I'm hoping my next dog will work in the same way also sam what size do you think she will make tts. atb daywalker.

[Terrier Sam 297]

That is a cracking looking pup sam, it sounds as though she hunts for scent and not just when their is scent about. I'm hoping my next dog will work in the same way also sam what size do you think she will make tts. atb daywalker.

That's how I was trying to explain it mate! She's 13.5 tts at the moment at 4 and a half months so I'd have thought she'll end up at about 15 ish.

 

I think that the pups sire, the dog I'll be using (one of the Black and Tans in foxpacks pic above is between 15 and 16 tts and my bitch is 16 tts. My Russell bitch was taller than the rest of the litter and the parents so id have thought her pups will end up about 15 tts too

[kevin kiely 66]

If that's at me Kevin then, without taking anything away from my bitch, I think the pup will be. Due to the breeding of my pup she hunts in a completely different way. It's difficult to explain the difference without making my terrier sound bad because she's not - far from it.

If this explains it then it's as if the terrier bushes out because she wants to get to the fun at the end (I.e. the quarry) and the bit where she gets prickled, stung etc. etc. is the only way to get the desired result bit. On the other hand, the pup bushes out to get the end result but also because she loves bushing out, following scent etc. etc. Her breeding is such that the bushing bit isn't a chore - it's fun. Due to this, she is more thorough. She also picks up scent on the ground which means that she knows before she's gone into cover if there is definitely something in there. I hope this shows the difference without downgrading my bitch or terriers in general but that's what I'm wanting to produce from my bitch and the same dog.

ATB

Sam

thanks for the reply mate it's something I wonder about everyday ha what busher would be best to push rabbits out to my two lurchers.that pic of the Russell and lurcher with the rabbits is the job.love to be ble to catch a few like that in the daytime

[Terrier Sam 297]

 

If that's at me Kevin then, without taking anything away from my bitch, I think the pup will be. Due to the breeding of my pup she hunts in a completely different way. It's difficult to explain the difference without making my terrier sound bad because she's not - far from it.

If this explains it then it's as if the terrier bushes out because she wants to get to the fun at the end (I.e. the quarry) and the bit where she gets prickled, stung etc. etc. is the only way to get the desired result bit. On the other hand, the pup bushes out to get the end result but also because she loves bushing out, following scent etc. etc. Her breeding is such that the bushing bit isn't a chore - it's fun. Due to this, she is more thorough. She also picks up scent on the ground which means that she knows before she's gone into cover if there is definitely something in there. I hope this shows the difference without downgrading my bitch or terriers in general but that's what I'm wanting to produce from my bitch and the same dog.

ATB

Sam

thanks for the reply mate it's something I wonder about everyday ha what busher would be best to push rabbits out to my two lurchers.that pic of the Russell and lurcher with the rabbits is the job.love to be ble to catch a few like that in the daytime

I'm sure there's people better than me to answer your questions as I'm not as experienced as some mate. From what I've heard and read and listened to, too much hound and the dog may be more inclined to follow a scent rather than search out one particular piece over cover (please someone correct me if I'm wrong).

 

As far as I'm concerned after working with this pup of mine, seeing her litter mates work and reading on the net about beagle spaniel terrier crosses, they are the way I'm going. Like I say though, I don't have much experience in the grand scheme of things and I haven't seen that many different breedings a of bushing dogs going - we've just worked out what works for us.

 

Really, I suppose most will bush out when they know what's at the end of it, it's just working out what style works for you!

[Terrier Sam 297]

P.s. That black dog with my bitch in the pic is my mates very good beddy whippet x bull whippet. He's a cracking busher and exciting to watch but probably too fast if your wanting the lurchers to catch more than him haha

[kevin kiely 66]

Very good.i don't see many litters with hound terrier and spaniel in the pups.have you see. Any springers work like this

[Terrier Sam 297]

Yes mate. My dads got a springer. He's great and will hunt every patch of cover to the extreme. There is no blade of grass unturned when he's about. However, we find that a bit more pace works better for the land we're on so having a balance of something a bit less thorough than a straight springer works well for us

[kevin kiely 66]

Ah so the springer goes along slower because its being more thorough .think that might suit me better because i don't like dogs being to far ahead.i had two beagle x springers and they used to go too far ahead of my lurchers

[Terrier Sam 297]

Well, again, from my experience, springers go everywhere at Mach 2 an uncontrollable or ill-trained springer will take off like the best of them. Dad bought his fully trained and is like a robot. Therefore is fully controllable. When he is hunting he still goes at Mach 2 but because he's been taught to be as thorough as possible he doesn't travel very far.

 

I'm sure that the issue you had with beagle spaniels is something that can happen to most dogs if it's not stamped out. Don't forget that naturally, dogs are in it for themselves. You have to make them work for you and if this is reinforced often enough during training they will forget about straying. Otherwise, no matter if it's a terrier, spaniel, hound or lurcher it'll still want to take off.

 

Imagine if you went on a coach trip with a load of pensioners. You are told that you're going on a pub crawl but first, you have to visit a few museums. At the earliest opportunity you going to think, 'f**k this, I'm off' if you think you know where the nearest pub is. That's how a bushing dog will feel if it doesn't think it has to stay around you - regardless of breeding. Having said this and as I said earlier, hound types are more prone to this unless kept under control.

 

What I'm trying to say is, don't think that in choosing a spaniel that it'll work close because this behaviour still has to be taught and on the flip side, you can teach pretty much any type to work close but spaniel types are specialists in thoroughness

[kevin kiely 66]

Yea training is the key isn't it.i had an Alsatian running Around wild with them aswell so they learned from him I'd say.when you say the springer was trained is there a risk the dog might only obey the original trainer

[Terrier Sam 297]

Yea training is the key isn't it.i had an Alsatian running Around wild with them aswell so they learned from him I'd say.when you say the springer was trained is there a risk the dog might only obey the original trainer

Ye it's a lot to do with initial training buddy!

 

Well I can't speak for all spaniels but dads, along with most others, was trained to the whistle so it only took the dog a couple of weeks to settle in and then from there on in the dog has been great. The only thing you need to know is the whistle commands.

 

Fully trained ones can cost you a fair amount though. I know lads that have paid between £1200-£1800 for trained springers. It's serious business. If you're going to go down that route then do a bit of research and find guys who bring on and train dogs for field trial. They are very fussy and the smallest thing such as not being 100% mute means that it won't make it and you may find one of these 'failures' for a steel

[kevin kiely 66]

Cheers mate good advice I'm goin to look into it

[Terrier Sam 297]

No worries matey. Glad I could help!

 

ATB with it

 

Sam

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pups looking great sam