Joe1888 672 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) For those interested, can view it at https://www.smith-commission.scot/smith-commission-report/ So much for home rule... These watered down "new powers" will be further watered down/ripped apart by westminister parties and the lords .. Cant see the scottish people being happy with it, surly now its clear to all of scotland, only way scotland will have the powers it needs is to gain independence Edited November 27, 2014 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 f**k sake mate give it a rest 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Joe, you say you look at facts, well the fact is Scotland is getting what the "vow" said, and more ! Control over income tax, vat, power to change electoral law, ability to make, change and set benifets, and more. You have got your cake AND will be able to eat it ! You will never be satisfied with less than full independence, but don't twist the facts to suit your own agenda, you sound like a politician. Scotland will have the best of both worlds, almost complete autonomy, yet with the security of being part of the UK. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Joe, you say you look at facts, well the fact is Scotland is getting what the "vow" said, and more ! Control over income tax, vat, power to change electoral law, ability to make, change and set benifets, and more. You have got your cake AND will be able to eat it ! You will never be satisfied with less than full independence, but don't twist the facts to suit your own agenda, you sound like a politician. Scotland will have the best of both worlds, almost complete autonomy, yet with the security of being part of the UK. its getting what the vow said, facts? what are you reading, the daily record?? its watered down and will be further before anything is passed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Joe, you say you look at facts, well the fact is Scotland is getting what the "vow" said, and more ! Control over income tax, vat, power to change electoral law, ability to make, change and set benifets, and more. You have got your cake AND will be able to eat it ! You will never be satisfied with less than full independence, but don't twist the facts to suit your own agenda, you sound like a politician. Scotland will have the best of both worlds, almost complete autonomy, yet with the security of being part of the UK. its getting what the vow said, facts? what are you reading, the daily record?? its watered down and will be further before anything is passed Joe, even if you got independence, you would be on here complaining about the aftermath. What part is watered down ? I also forgot to mention transport, which Holyrood would also have control of. I've never read the Daily Record, but I do read a cross section of the media, both print and electronic. It appears Scotland will be getting a VERY good deal compared to the rest of the UK, but as I say, you will never be satisfied, you sound like a bad looser, Scotland voted, you lost, but in the long run Scotland has got the best deal, as someone else said, " get over it". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Joe, you say you look at facts, well the fact is Scotland is getting what the "vow" said, and more ! Control over income tax, vat, power to change electoral law, ability to make, change and set benifets, and more. You have got your cake AND will be able to eat it ! You will never be satisfied with less than full independence, but don't twist the facts to suit your own agenda, you sound like a politician. Scotland will have the best of both worlds, almost complete autonomy, yet with the security of being part of the UK. its getting what the vow said, facts? what are you reading, the daily record?? its watered down and will be further before anything is passed Joe, even if you got independence, you would be on here complaining about the aftermath. What part is watered down ? I also forgot to mention transport, which Holyrood would also have control of. I've never read the Daily Record, but I do read a cross section of the media, both print and electronic. It appears Scotland will be getting a VERY good deal compared to the rest of the UK, but as I say, you will never be satisfied, you sound like a bad looser, Scotland voted, you lost, but in the long run Scotland has got the best deal, as someone else said, " get over it". gordon brown on behalf of the no campain promised home rule for scotland within the uk, he also went onto say it would be as close federalism as possible.... this was promised in the last days of the scottish referendum, when in the edinburgh agreement, campaigning was ment to stop before. its believed that the promise made to scots by brown won the referendum for the no campain... he was the man with some credit up here, a scot, sent to save the day as support kept growing for yes.. a promise was made and should be honoured! what the smith commission has recommended isnt home rule.. 70% of our taxes and 85% of welfare would be staying at westminster ill quote on the vat, since the commissions recommendations wont add a single penny to scottish govs budget and almost all welfare powers will remain reserved to westminster Westminster will hand Scotland a tenner with one hand, and take back two fivers with the other hand. the media are making it out to be something its not, its definitely not what was promised.. remember this is still a recommendation, going on previous recommendations, it will be butchered abit more. another interesting fact to come from this is, the recommendation would have been stronger if labour hadnt blocked it... r.i.p scottish labour Edited November 27, 2014 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Joe, you say you look at facts, well the fact is Scotland is getting what the "vow" said, and more ! Control over income tax, vat, power to change electoral law, ability to make, change and set benifets, and more. You have got your cake AND will be able to eat it ! You will never be satisfied with less than full independence, but don't twist the facts to suit your own agenda, you sound like a politician. Scotland will have the best of both worlds, almost complete autonomy, yet with the security of being part of the UK. its getting what the vow said, facts? what are you reading, the daily record?? its watered down and will be further before anything is passed Joe, even if you got independence, you would be on here complaining about the aftermath. What part is watered down ? I also forgot to mention transport, which Holyrood would also have control of. I've never read the Daily Record, but I do read a cross section of the media, both print and electronic. It appears Scotland will be getting a VERY good deal compared to the rest of the UK, but as I say, you will never be satisfied, you sound like a bad looser, Scotland voted, you lost, but in the long run Scotland has got the best deal, as someone else said, " get over it". gordon brown on behalf of the no campain promised home rule for scotland within the uk, he also went onto say it would be as close federalism as possible.... this was promised in the last days of the scottish referendum, when in the edinburgh agreement, campaigning was ment to stop before. its believed that the promise made to scots by brown won the referendum for the no campain... he was the man with some credit up here, a scot, sent to save the day as support kept growing for yes.. a promise was made and should be honoured! what the smith commission has recommended isnt home rule.. 70% of our taxes and 85% of welfare would be staying at westminster ill quote on the vat, since the commissions recommendations wont add a single penny to scottish govs budget and almost all welfar powers will remain reserved to westminster Westminster will hand Scotland a tenner with one hand, and take back two fivers with the other hand.[/size] the media are making it out to be something its not, its definitely not what was promised.. remember this is still a recommendation, going on previous recommendations, it will be butchered abit more. another interesting fact to come from this is, the recommendation would have been stronger if labour hadnt blocked it... r.i.p scottish labour Joe, you remind me of the Monty Python "argument sketch " were the guy pays for an argument, and his adversary just keeps saying "no it isn't, or, yes it is " you will never be happy, even if you got full independence. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Joe, you say you look at facts, well the fact is Scotland is getting what the "vow" said, and more ! Control over income tax, vat, power to change electoral law, ability to make, change and set benifets, and more. You have got your cake AND will be able to eat it ! You will never be satisfied with less than full independence, but don't twist the facts to suit your own agenda, you sound like a politician. Scotland will have the best of both worlds, almost complete autonomy, yet with the security of being part of the UK. its getting what the vow said, facts? what are you reading, the daily record?? its watered down and will be further before anything is passed Joe, even if you got independence, you would be on here complaining about the aftermath. What part is watered down ? I also forgot to mention transport, which Holyrood would also have control of. I've never read the Daily Record, but I do read a cross section of the media, both print and electronic. It appears Scotland will be getting a VERY good deal compared to the rest of the UK, but as I say, you will never be satisfied, you sound like a bad looser, Scotland voted, you lost, but in the long run Scotland has got the best deal, as someone else said, " get over it". gordon brown on behalf of the no campain promised home rule for scotland within the uk, he also went onto say it would be as close federalism as possible.... this was promised in the last days of the scottish referendum, when in the edinburgh agreement, campaigning was ment to stop before. its believed that the promise made to scots by brown won the referendum for the no campain... he was the man with some credit up here, a scot, sent to save the day as support kept growing for yes.. a promise was made and should be honoured! what the smith commission has recommended isnt home rule.. 70% of our taxes and 85% of welfare would be staying at westminster ill quote on the vat, since the commissions recommendations wont add a single penny to scottish govs budget and almost all welfar powers will remain reserved to westminster Westminster will hand Scotland a tenner with one hand, and take back two fivers with the other hand.[/size] the media are making it out to be something its not, its definitely not what was promised.. remember this is still a recommendation, going on previous recommendations, it will be butchered abit more. another interesting fact to come from this is, the recommendation would have been stronger if labour hadnt blocked it... r.i.p scottish labour Joe, you remind me of the Monty Python "argument sketch " were the guy pays for an argument, and his adversary just keeps saying "no it isn't, or, yes it is " you will never be happy, even if you got full independence. i gave you facts and you go on to have a dig ofcourse independence is what i prefer, that doesnt change the fact that a promise was made and no doubt influenced many voters, will they feel let down with how its been handled upto now?? we will find out in the general election in relation to you post further up, "we have got our cake and eaten it" we were offered a cake, a very good copy, close to best out there, some decided not to risk everything for the best/real thing and went for the good copy... in the end it doesnt look like we will get that copy, instead we will be left with the jam, and some crumbs Edited November 27, 2014 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,247 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 You are by far the most boring cnut on here Joe even Frazzled with his God bothering is mae interesting than you. I really hope Scotland Fuckss off and goes down the tubes after it's new masters in Brussel impose socialist domination.... :laugh: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) You are by far the most boring cnut on here Joe even Frazzled with his God bothering is mae interesting than you. I really hope Scotland Fuckss off and goes down the tubes after it's new masters in Brussel impose socialist domination.... :laugh: good to see you changed your mind for a third time, and now replying to me again mate. i missed your humour Edited November 27, 2014 by Joe1888 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C556 351 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Stuff that, demolish the Scottish parliament and go back to direct rule from Westminster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 if Scottish mps can vote on English matters then English mps should be able to vote on Scottish matters or else they should only be able to vote on the matters relating to their own country, then is it not fair to say that each region should only vote on their own matters and so on, politics is needing a change as its no longer fit for purpose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rake aboot 4,936 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Never mind Joe, at least you can be pleased that the Empress is ripping into shooting now. Killing air gun sport in Scotland, and removing Business rates exemption for estates involved in shooting and stalking. Helmet heed wee cnut. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Never mind Joe, at least you can be pleased that the Empress is ripping into shooting now. Killing air gun sport in Scotland, and removing Business rates exemption for estates involved in shooting and stalking. Helmet heed wee cnut. If you dont mind me asking rake, who will you be voting for in the general election? id rather have the snp working in scotlands interest than any the other parties if Scottish mps can vote on English matters then English mps should be able to vote on Scottish matters or else they should only be able to vote on the matters relating to their own country, then is it not fair to say that each region should only vote on their own matters and so on, politics is needing a change as its no longer fit for purpose the way cameron went about it mate, thats the problem.. english votes for english issues, no problem here.. the snp dont vote on english only stuff when its possible, labour do.. Edited November 27, 2014 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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