unclepesta 101 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 anyone know if there is a minimum breaking strain on barrel swivels?? is there a minimum in any codes?i dont see much about them anywhere on here. Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,170 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Haven't heard of anyone using barrel swivels on fox snares! I use them on mink snares, and their nice and tidy for small snares! It shows the swivel strength on the packet, I get size 3/0 or 4/0 but they go up to 6/0 and maybe bigger! Their not cheap mind! You'd be better off buying proper snare swivels off Fourteenacres on here! Quote Link to post
heritage 202 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 As far as I'm aware there isn't any stipulation regarding swivels, only the wire itself. Barrel swivels are good when used on fox wires as there much smaller and leave a nice low profile finish, they are normally used in-line but there also becoming more popular as an end swivel now. You have several options..... Imported American swivels Home made swivels Uk made swivels Or swivels that were designed for use in the fishing industry. You'll find suitable barrel swivels on the uk hooks website or you could source some Aussie / sampo ones, just make sure they exceed the b/s of the wire used. Atb..... Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 i think the new code of practice is on its way in england.. i had a chat with a fellow about swivels today and he said look somewhere between the cable strength and the breakaway strength at the collar. so i suppose it will be between 208kg and whatever the breakaway strength is gonna be set at. apparently breakaways may require refinement to a more reliable breaking strain...dont quote me i think 35kg on the collar is in the region for the breakaway..so around a 100kg on the snare swivel so its stronger than the breakaway. obviously the anchor one can be heavier. the old wire swivels are quick and easy to make i got loads i already done up but im tempted to try these out cos the cost aint much more. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50-X-POWER-RIG-SWIVELS-SIZE-5-PIKE-CATFISH-CARP-FISHING-/200525333952?pt=UK_SportingGoods_FishingAcces_RL&hash=item2eb03dc5c0 they do some 198lb ones too and they are cheaper and would do the job i reckon. im sure you can go much much lighter on swivel weights but im told they often break under the shown breaking strain on pack by over 50% less on the shown strength sometimes. if anyone knows the breaking strain on the breakaway let me know ive made a load up a while back with the 2.5 galvinized i aint tested the weight yet cos im gonna do some other bits. i made some round s hook type and i made a some other types. also different hole sizes make a difference in strengths. if 35 kg is wrong on the breakaway let me know. pitty old snareman aint about to give a view on this i would ring him for a chat but i dont want to bother the man as he has helped me enough with things..plus he's been over this a hundred times i expect already..and besides im posting out of interest not just for myself but others who might be interested. all the best Quote Link to post
heritage 202 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 I spoke to the chap who was in charge of preparing the new proposals and he allowed me to read the document in its entirety and I belive were still some way off yet...... There are a whole range of swivels that could be used when building wires and I stick to two main types, a minutare ( home made ) end swivel & a small stainless barrel swivel , the barrel swivel is a 4 / 0 and is rated to 739lb.... Swivels are easy....., the breakaway however is the Achilles heel of snaring .... Quote Link to post
3175darren 1,103 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 One man on here,would put you straight, Woodga is your man, Quote Link to post
MR TEA POT 1,287 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Woodga don't make me laugh he knows sweet feck all about snaring fantasis arm chair hunter ? 1 Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 battersea dogs home im not ringing there.. he dont know anything about this. Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 heritage i think its a minefield so many variables they are testing lots and are still looking at breaking strains and reliability's probably to influence that proposal if they find the answer. i got shackles so im not worried about holding em im just poking a technical point that might come into play with minimum requirements as there only comment is 'strong' at present for swivels.. strong could mean 40lb breaking.. a novice could go buy some thinking a fox aint gonna weigh 30lb like fishing.. he might still catch and hold it but it might give.. then he is in the dock saying i used a strong one. thats why its not good to follow vague regulations..you can become part of the test. the breakaway is another and probably more important part to get right if it becomes a mandatory im interested to see what they all will come up with,lets hope its simple and without a patent Quote Link to post
heritage 202 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 I agree,..... I can't see them ever finding the perfect breakaway,. All I know is that the average snarer couldn't produce anything at home that shows 100 % consistency & I'd always advise anyone building there own wires to " over engineer " them as it's always better to be safe than sorry...... God help the poor fella that becomes the first test case One thing that is important is to keep things reasonably priced, without this being a consideration people would , understandably flout the law in preference of a possibly illegal "cheeper option " Just look at the gwct snare,.... Cheap fishing components cobbled together, re-branded and sold at an extortionate price I don't know too much about the testing and approval process but I hope the powers that be " keep it real " otherwise it will be another nail in the coffin for those with a genuine interest in snaring. 1 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Lets hope that any new legislation is drawn up with involvement from people who are trying to defend us. 2 Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 i have had a look around u.s stuff they still dont really cover specific species. have a look at breakaways on here.. http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/recreation/hunting/trapping/modern_snares.pdf Quote Link to post
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