Fox Vs Hmr

[alan81 110]

I said 189 yards but I agree with you that there are better tools for the job that's why I got a .223. As for shooting fox's in the neck with a WMR or HMR nearly all of them are DRT its not like you have to finish them all of with a second.

[sharpshooter25 7]

17 hmr will stop a fox, over 100 yards forget it. Risks are to high, would need to be a head shot chest shot if your lucky. Windage is the problem, it's gonna be a hit or miss. 22-250 or 223 perfect round. Just my ten pence worth

[shropshire dan 467]

Just got back after a couple hours on the foxes. Didnt see any so went to a new permission to lamp rabbits. Never been lamped before grabbed the .22lr out of the boot and switched lamp off hmr onto .22lr and went and bagged 21 bunnies in less than 2 hours. Nothing beats the subsonic .22 on the rabbits

[celticrusader 78]

Well this was my point in the fact that there are alternate views on the calibre and methods in which they are used and the information and attitude about the 17hmr varying.

My reason for neck shooting is that its been a point of aim for myself whilst hunting smaller game previously..that being said I do not always do this and I take the appropriate shot when it presents itself.

Yes I do agree that every animal should be dispatched as humanely as possible and a neck shot that prevents an animal from running off like heartshots can do I thought would be a safer bet.

Sadly we can only conduct ourselves in the best we can but not every kill will result in bunnies or foxes rolling over instantaneously with a paw on they're chest with a rose grasped firmly in it.

Edited May 30, 2014 by celticrusader

[celticrusader 78]

21! Good crack Shropshire Dan...just proof you boys have lots more over your end of the bridge than we do...probably won't get that this year lol

[shropshire dan 467]

Was well chuffed. Gutted my phone was dead otherwise id have got some pics.

 

Only the shooter on the day at that moment can judge a humane shot. If you felt you could dispatch charlie at 189 yards fair enough crack on.

 

I personally wouldnt take that shot but I havnt shot much past 130yards yet so I wouldn't feel confident enough to be honest.

[celticrusader 78]

Shame about the phone but Yes I agree and it depends on if the land is suitable for that kind of range I know there's only a few spots on some of the varied permissions I have and most people may not even have that, truth be told I've polished off more with the o/u within 30yrds in a year than ive ever seen when I'm out with the rimfires.

[shropshire dan 467]

I have plenty of land I can practice out to 150-200yards but really dont feel I need to just yet. I'll be getting the .223 in the next couple of months so will be practicing out to 300 yards. Im not planning on taking shots past 200yards on charlie but will be handy for any shy foxes past this. Im planning on zeroing at 200yards and looking at the ballistics that will give me roughly 5" drop at 300 yards.

[SportingShooter 0]

Well this was my point in the fact that there are alternate views on the calibre and methods in which they are used and the information and attitude about the 17hmr varying.

My reason for neck shooting is that its been a point of aim for myself whilst hunting smaller game previously..that being said I do not always do this and I take the appropriate shot when it presents itself.

Yes I do agree that every animal should be dispatched as humanely as possible and a neck shot that prevents an animal from running off like heartshots can do I thought would be a safer bet.

Sadly we can only conduct ourselves in the best we can but not every kill will result in bunnies or foxes rolling over instantaneously with a paw on they're chest with a rose grasped firmly in it.

 

I agree with that CC, we can never be 100% sure what is going to happen when that trigger is pulled,

 

However, our conduct also needs to include not taking shots where the risk of that situation is largely increased i.e. with a very small round susceptible to the wind at distances that would normally be well within centrefire territory. It will be there for another day when you have the right tool.

[alan81 110]

sharpshooter25 if you cant drop a fox stone dead at 100-150 yards with the HMR I think you need to change your name. windage shouldn't be a problem its a HMR, don't shoot it in strong winds.

[Elliott 436]

There's no doubt the HMR is an accurate little tool. I've only ever shot a couple of foxes with mine, funnily enough they were both shot within 20 mins of one another on the golf course. The furthest one was yards. I went for head shots and it dropped them on the spot without so much of a twitch.

 

I do love my 1517, they are such accurate little tools. I've just uploaded a video I filmed on Bank Holiday Monday where I shot a group at 100 yards inside a 5 pence piece.

 

Edited May 31, 2014 by Elliott

[shropshire dan 467]

Great video elliot. They sure are an impressive little round

[celticrusader 78]

Yep last year during the best summer we've had in years I put 6in an inch at 100m's on the outdoor range which put my mates ammo reloading skills that he was testing with the.223 to shame.

The only thing is I find you need a good variable scope at that distance as the pin holes are quite hard to see as I could only just manage with the 4-16x50 I have on mine (I dont use a spotting scope) , never had and problems with rabbits and in a bit of wind I change from headshots if at distance to a shoulder or top torso and they always rollover.

Edited May 31, 2014 by celticrusader

[alan81 110]

the video Elliott put up has just shown 8 dead fox's at 100 yards. well not really but if those red dots were red fox heads it would have been. people take rabbits with head shots past 150 yards regular with the HMR so how is it so hard to shoot a fox at that distance? Answer- its not. Even with a 20mph wind as long as you know your gun its a dead fox and if its not, sell your gun.

[celticrusader 78]

Sorry I was refuring to what I was doing on the target range and when ive been shooting rabbits in my last statement and not foxes, if I had been out in extreme wind I would have taken the 22lr and then limited the distance or I would have saved it for a more convenient day.

Edited June 1, 2014 by celticrusader