Any Advice???

[steve2507 522]

Had the mut out the last couple of nights, not ran hard but a few runs each night and each night he has came in and drank alot of water and the next morning he has gone out to empty and urinated alot by alot i mean he has stood there for a good minute flooding the garden, I am in the thinking it is an electrolite inbalance so have gave him some electrolites ,does this sound like it is or does it sound like it could be something else ??????

 

Thanks steve

[paulus 26]

Had the mut out the last couple of nights, not ran hard but a few runs each night and each night he has came in and drank alot of water and the next morning he has gone out to empty and urinated alot by alot i mean he has stood there for a good minute flooding the garden, I am in the thinking it is an electrolite inbalance so have gave him some electrolites ,does this sound like it is or does it sound like it could be something else ??????

 

Thanks steve

kidney trouble maybe, is the urine dark or discoloured possible water/urinary tract infection does he do the same if he is not run the night before

[steve2507 522]

He is urinating clear like water ,only started yesterday morning ,first thought was he must of been busting for a pee,then he done it again this morning ??

[paulus 26]

He is urinating clear like water ,only started yesterday morning ,first thought was he must of been busting for a pee,then he done it again this morning ??

rules out over exertion(acidosis)infections or kidney problems then as the urine is usually dark even red. :hmm:could possibly be a condition known as racing thirst in greyhounds

 

The symptoms of ‘racing thirst’ or ‘water diabetes’ are usually apparent within 6-12 hours following a stressful race or

physical over-exertion in an effort to regain lost ground. A mild

form may develop in a previous race and not be noticed until

the greyhound starts to obviously drink excessive amounts of

water (polydypsia) and urinate copious quantities of weak,

colourless urine (polyuria.) As a consequence, the greyhound

can rapidly develop a severe fluid deficit and dehydration, with

1-2 kg loss of body weight over 24-26 hours. Acutely affected

greyhounds can drink 2-3 litres of water within a few hours

after a race and even resort to licking up their own weak urine

in a desperate attempt to satisfy their insatiable thirst. Racing

thirst is well recognised as a stress-related hormone imbalance.

It is triggered by the suppression of anti-diuretic hormone

(ADH) which normally acts in the kidneys to limit urinary

outflow. Mild cases can be treated by complete kennel rest and

careful management of the diet with supplements of body salts

and limited access to water to allow recovery from this largely

stress-induced condition over a 2-3 day period.

Racing Thirst

However, in more severe forms, particularly when a greyhound

may have suffered an earlier sub-clinical form of the condition

with an increased but not excessive thirst, the loss of fluid and

leaching of salts and other vital metabolic compounds through

the kidneys, can result in body weight loss, severe dehydration,

weakness, collapse and subsequent organ damage. If a

greyhound does not respond within 6-12 hours with kennel

rest and reduces its extreme thirst, then your vet will be able to

manage the recovery process by prescribing ADH replacement

therapy, and managing food, body salt and water intake over

5-7 days. Most cases recover well within 7-10 days, but there

is an increased likelihood that the condition will recur if a

greyhound is not rested during the recovery phase before it is

returned to fully competitive racing.

Lung Bleeding

Although this is often a ‘hidden’ form of over-exertion without visible external signs in the majority of racing greyhounds,

surveys have indicated that up to 21% of racing greyhounds

running in distance races from 500-700 metres, are likely to

suffer haemorrhage of the minute capillaries which surround

the airsacs within the lungs.

Certainly, the incidence of lung haemorrhage in racing horses,

referred to as Exercise/Induced Pulmonary Haemorrhage or

EIPH, where up to 90% of horses bleed to varying degrees each

time they race, is well documented. In horses, despite the high

incidence of lung bleeding, only about 2% of the horses actually show blood at the nostrils during, or within, 36 hours of a

hard race. Very few greyhounds also exhibit possible evidence

of a lung bleed by coughing up blood after a race.

Passing a thin fibre-optic endoscope down the windpipe

of greyhound after a hard race, indicates that minor lung

haemorrhages can be present, even in a well performed greyhound. Although horses show blood at their nostrils, or cough

after a race, because they are unable to breathe though their

mouth, affected greyhounds can occasionally cough up clots

of blood tinged mucus following a more severe level of lung

bleeding.

In horses, a number of theories have been developed based on

examination of the lungs after hard exercise, and measuring

blood pressures in the pulmonary arteries during peak or

sustained fast exercise on a high speed treadmill. The most

common link between lung bleeding and physical exertion

is thought to be the generation of very high measurements

of 120-140mm of Mercury of blood pressure within the

lung supply arteries. However, greyhounds peak at 40mm

Mercury pressure, but sustained galloping in distance races

may increase the risk of over-stretching and weakening of

blood capillary walls as the lung airsac expand and contract

about -90 times per minute at the gallop.

In horses, concurrent airway disease with erosion of the airsac

walls is thought to have a major influence on the incidence of

lung bleeding. This is often related to dust in bedding and feed.

Galloping a horse into cold early morning or night air, which

is also a common practice during night racing of greyhounds,

can constrict lung bronchioles (broncho-constriction) and

increase the potential bursting pressure within the small arteries within the airsac walls of the lungs.

Although lung bleeding is thought to occur in greyhounds

over staying race lengths, there are no standard management

procedures recommended

[skycat 6,174]

Warm weather, dog not fit enough: causes the above problems, known as coursing thirst. Get some Recharge from the Greyhound shop, but above all, get properly fit before running.

[DogMagic 461]

Get the dog fit. SLOWLY! Start off with a week of trotting along beside a pushbike for half hour twice a day. DONT run him, just trot. AND DONT WALK NEITHER. Walking will achieve nothing. Running is to much for an unfit dog. Trotting is the key. After a week make a judgement on his fitness levels. If fitness is improving then increase the length of the trotting session and/or throw in a small bit of running. Keep judging his fitness and increasing his workload accordingly. This is a fit dog

[steve2507 522]

thanks for that paulus ,he is at the vets on monday so i will have him checked out, penny and dogmagic ....Toby is fit right the way through summer he has been kept going on the beach and along side the bike he is 1 of them dogs that if he aint active he is a pain in the arse ,what i will put it down to maybe is the heat, toby is very long coated i chopped him early on in the year and he has grown it back very thick maybe a winter cut is in order ,fitness i wouldnt think was the issue

thanks steve

toby

tessa

[paulus 26]

thanks for that paulus ,he is at the vets on monday so i will have him checked out, penny and dogmagic ....Toby is fit right the way through summer he has been kept going on the beach and along side the bike he is 1 of them dogs that if he aint active he is a pain in the arse ,what i will put it down to maybe is the heat, toby is very long coated i chopped him early on in the year and he has grown it back very thick maybe a winter cut is in order ,fitness i wouldnt think was the issue

thanks steve

toby

tessa

its mainly a stress induced nothing to do with fitness, a driven dog is more likely to suffer, its a bit like putting someone whos 100% fit but not in the same category as mo farah in the same race and him giving everything trying to beat him, the same goes for rhabdomyolysis it is mainly suffered by excitable driven dogs that will push themselves too far

[steve2507 522]

thanks paulus ,about 4 days ago he got on a rabbit with the saluki x day time now this rabbit had gears and toby put all what he could in to keep up with them both ,it could of stemmed from then ,like i said im at the vets anyway with him on monday ,so i will mention it to them ........penny that recharge stuff is it electrolite based ????????

[paulus 26]

thanks paulus ,about 4 days ago he got on a rabbit with the saluki x day time now this rabbit had gears and toby put all what he could in to keep up with them both ,it could of stemmed from then ,like i said im at the vets anyway with him on monday ,so i will mention it to them ........penny that recharge stuff is it electrolite based ????????

nail head mate

[steve2507 522]

 

thanks paulus ,about 4 days ago he got on a rabbit with the saluki x day time now this rabbit had gears and toby put all what he could in to keep up with them both ,it could of stemmed from then ,like i said im at the vets anyway with him on monday ,so i will mention it to them ........penny that recharge stuff is it electrolite based ????????

nail head mate

 

the penny dropped with your last comment mate,once again thanks paulus

[Qbgrey 4,386]

could be systicis (spelling) infection?

[DogMagic 461]

http://www.greyhoundmegastore.com/all-breeds/dietary-supplements/equine-america/sm-range/vetsearch/recharge.html

[paulus 26]

We seem to be heading more and more down this road, possibly due to they way we perceive "Jacking" if we only breed from dogs whose drive is greater than its self preservation instinct then these problems will become more and more prevalent, whilst these types of dogs are a pleasure to watch and boost ego`s greatly, they are short lived, perhaps this is acceptable in our throw away society but personally i prefer a dog that will work for the majority of its lifetime as i want a dog to cover a multitude of disciplines and it may take two or three years to train the dog to the standard i require, but if its just point and slip then i can imagine its different, how many people out there are still working the same dogs they were 7/8/9 seasons ago

[skycat 6,174]

We seem to be heading more and more down this road, possibly due to they way we perceive "Jacking" if we only breed from dogs whose drive is greater than its self preservation instinct then these problems will become more and more prevalent, whilst these types of dogs are a pleasure to watch and boost ego`s greatly, they are short lived, perhaps this is acceptable in our throw away society but personally i prefer a dog that will work for the majority of its lifetime as i want a dog to cover a multitude of disciplines and it may take two or three years to train the dog to the standard i require, but if its just point and slip then i can imagine its different, how many people out there are still working the same dogs they were 7/8/9 seasons ago