Bushing Dog Section

[Astanley 11,640]

sssshhhhhh just let a few boring old farts like meself have our section .

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Serious question, do you think a section like that would have much mileage ?......I mean there's only so much " fido bolted a rabbit out of a blackberry bush" type things you can write about......any mongrel can do it, there's not much special about it ( and I seriously don't mean to be a cock) it takes no particular skill or courage.......I fully get anyone who like just having a terrier beside them but I don't think it warrants a section

 

JMHO and I hope folk won't get to uptight about my view as I am not slagging anyone

 

With the current law as it is, even the lurcher section is very stale

Why would you oppose it?

 

You may not want to use it but why oppose it? I don't understand?

 

I'm not into fishing or cooking, so I leave them sections be.

[WILF 50,180]

As I said, I don't really oppose it as it don't matter to me, just fail to see the point.....and in all fairness I also fail to see the point of much of the lurcher section so it's not just bushing dogs I am picking on.

 

You put a thread up, I responded....nothing more sinister than that matey

Atb

[Ideation 8,217]

Thing is Wilf - technically, bushing out game, is the only legal way you can use one or two dogs to work fox/hare/deer.

 

I accept that any old dog can run around yapping and flush bunnys about the place. But a lot of folk are now breeding specialised x breeds for the job, who really do excell.

 

I have a little hound x here, and plan on adding a couple more of a similar type. But i'm not really a hound man, it doesnt really fit with the terrier section, so I chuck stuff in the lurcher section at the moment.

[WILF 50,180]

Fair one mate, but there has been a dog bred for generations to excel at that job and it is yet to be bettered, it's called a spaniel and we already have a section for those

[stewie 3,387]

As I said, I don't really oppose it as it don't matter to me, just fail to see the point.....and in all fairness I also fail to see the point of much of the lurcher section so it's not just bushing dogs I am picking on.

 

You put a thread up, I responded....nothing more sinister than that matey

Atb

thats a first............

 

i hear you wilf but at the end of the day the bushing dog is under rated on here at times!!! if theres a section for every other dog then surely a small section for pure bushers wont hurt?? its defo my favorite aspect of mooching with the mutts and busy or not im sure it would be a decent section...........

[stewie 3,387]

Fair one mate, but there has been a dog bred for generations to excel at that job and it is yet to be bettered, it's called a spaniel and we already have a section for those

true again mate but not many of them in there are worked with lurchers.........

[Ideation 8,217]

Fair one mate, but there has been a dog bred for generations to excel at that job and it is yet to be bettered, it's called a spaniel and we already have a section for those

 

I accept what you are saying to a point mate.

 

I come from a spaniel family, and have seen some very very top spaniels work. Some of the best.

 

But when I was looking for a dog to do the sort of flushing job I require, I wanted something that would follow scent well, work cover well, would make noise on a scent, would get stuck in if needed (and so chase), and would not go to ground.

 

Which for me, ruled out a spaniel, I could never stand to look at one that yipped, yapped, chased or was hard mouthed.

 

And it ruled out a terrier, due to the underground issue.

 

So i went for a specialized x breed, purpose bred for the task in hand, and if she keeps going the wee hound x will have some top cocker blood put to her, to produce more specialized dogs that will suit (I hope) my purposes.

 

And for the spaniel work, we have the spaniel

[WILF 50,180]

A proper spaniel is a much more versatile animal than a terrier or terrier cross IMHO, the spaniel/terrier bushing dogs that my pal owned while providing a lot of sport could also be a pain in the arse if they managed to catch in thick cover.....getting stuck into all sorts

 

They're were also not trustworthy temperament wise where as a proper spaniel would be a much safer bet around people, kids and other animals

 

While terriers and terrier crosses can provide you with a lot of sport they can also be a complete liability at times and give you all sorts of problems that a purpose bred animal, bred solely for that purpose like a spaniel won't give you

 

If you can be arsed to put in the training, you could be bushing with the dog one day, on a driven or rough shoot the next, at the fore shore the next or even trailing the day after.

[WILF 50,180]

 

Fair one mate, but there has been a dog bred for generations to excel at that job and it is yet to be bettered, it's called a spaniel and we already have a section for those

 

I accept what you are saying to a point mate.

 

I come from a spaniel family, and have seen some very very top spaniels work. Some of the best.

 

But when I was looking for a dog to do the sort of flushing job I require, I wanted something that would follow scent well, work cover well, would make noise on a scent, would get stuck in if needed (and so chase), and would not go to ground.

 

Which for me, ruled out a spaniel, I could never stand to look at one that yipped, yapped, chased or was hard mouthed.

 

And it ruled out a terrier, due to the underground issue.

 

So i went for a specialized x breed, purpose bred for the task in hand, and if she keeps going the wee hound x will have some top cocker blood put to her, to produce more specialized dogs that will suit (I hope) my purposes.

 

And for the spaniel work, we have the spaniel

Do you not think that most half decent lurchers will hunt a line on their own anyway mate without all the un-necessary noise that lets be honest, we can all do without in today's era of nosy parkers?

[WILF 50,180]

Haha.....and just when I am saying there's no mileage in it, there we are having a conversation about it !!!......shows how much I know !!! Lol lol

[stewie 3,387]

Haha.....and just when I am saying there's no mileage in it, there we are having a conversation about it !!!......shows how much I know !!! Lol lol

lol...........

[Born Hunter 17,910]

Wilf, do you really not think there's an advantage to having a dog in cover that gives voice to let the lurchers know what's going on and where? Sometimes when pushing thorns through all the dogs will be inside and visability is low, then if something is put up and pushed hard how do the others know what's going on? I see it as greatly usefull and the only real downside to the spaniel.

[WILF 50,180]

Wilf, do you really not think there's an advantage to having a dog in cover that gives voice to let the lurchers know what's going on and where? Sometimes when pushing thorns through all the dogs will be inside and visability is low, then if something is put up and pushed hard how do the others know what's going on? I see it as greatly usefull and the only real downside to the spaniel.

In all honesty mate, no I don't see any advantage to it at all......in fact I see it as a pain in the arse.

 

I used to think it was a good thing but changed my mind after watching lurchers hunt up themselves, pressure tackle out of cover or take a line and hunt it across water and away into the distance half a mile away and get up on the thing that had been pressured out

 

A good lurcher is a very versatile animal and needs little help in most situations IMHO..........as I said ( and as documented in print) dogs coupled with beaters provided a lot of good sport on certain quarry back in the day but just ratching about they don't need much help and if they do, then the more rounded animal would be a spaniel in my opinion

 

There's not much gets passed a dogs nose, if something's there then a lurcher that wants it will find it on its own......as with most things in the dog world, nothing is set in stone and you have to take your terrain into account so if you have a lot of very thick cover/ brambles etc then a small pushing out dog could get you that extra sport but making a noise is not a pre- requisite to me

Edited May 28, 2013 by WILF

[stewie 3,387]

Wilf, do you really not think there's an advantage to having a dog in cover that gives voice to let the lurchers know what's going on and where? Sometimes when pushing thorns through all the dogs will be inside and visability is low, then if something is put up and pushed hard how do the others know what's going on? I see it as greatly usefull and the only real downside to the spaniel.

if a spaniel giving tongue is a fault in the gun dog world.......its a blessing when out with lurchers lol a spaniel broke to rabbits is useless to a lurcher man........but f**k me there good rabbit dogs to a man who dont care about "etiquette" in the field...........