paulwgun 1 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 My son who is 19 has been using shotguns and rifles since he was eight years of age and has been a member of a rifle club from that age. When he was 14 he was granted a fac and shotgun certificate with joint ownership of all my shotguns and rifles but had to be in my supervision while using them. He missed his renewal by a month, but spoke to the firearms dept and was reassured all was ok as my licence was in order, he has had a visit from the licencing officer but has now had a letter that says "as you have not previously possessed a rifle, it has been recommended that you are supervised by a firearms certificate holder who possesses a .308 calibre rifle or higher. This person will be required to supervise you until you have developed sufficient experience in the use of your rifle" It looks like they are treating his application as a first timer instead of a renewal, he has had 11 years of supervision and mentoring and is thoroughly brassed off that he cant go out on his own and has written to them (Dyfed Powys ) asking for this restriction to be lifted I am also going to write to them to say that he is a competent and experienced user should he follow this up with a letter from the club? although the club secretary filled his reference for the renewal Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 My son who is 19 has been using shotguns and rifles since he was eight years of age and has been a member of a rifle club from that age. When he was 14 he was granted a fac and shotgun certificate with joint ownership of all my shotguns and rifles but had to be in my supervision while using them. He missed his renewal by a month, but spoke to the firearms dept and was reassured all was ok as my licence was in order, he has had a visit from the licencing officer but has now had a letter that says "as you have not previously possessed a rifle, it has been recommended that you are supervised by a firearms certificate holder who possesses a .308 calibre rifle or higher. This person will be required to supervise you until you have developed sufficient experience in the use of your rifle" It looks like they are treating his application as a first timer instead of a renewal, he has had 11 years of supervision and mentoring and is thoroughly brassed off that he cant go out on his own and has written to them (Dyfed Powys ) asking for this restriction to be lifted I am also going to write to them to say that he is a competent and experienced user should he follow this up with a letter from the club? although the club secretary filled his reference for the renewal have a chat to them also ring basc sacs or who ever your membership is with for free advice Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 I'd just give them a ring, If his certificate lapsed then he would be treated as a new grant rather than renewal which is probably where the confusion lies, No harm in asking them whether it was a technical error Quote Link to post
The one 8,402 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Theres a article in this months sporting gun and the guys written to the police commissioner asking when mentoring was put in as a legal requirement , so you can quote that and it might take it back to a renewal Quote Link to post
paulwgun 1 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Just an update for you all, spoke to the firearms dept, they said there seems to have been a misunderstanding and just want a covering letter from me to say hes competent Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Just an update for you all, spoke to the firearms dept, they said there seems to have been a misunderstanding and just want a covering letter from me to say hes competent its good to talk Quote Link to post
The one 8,402 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Thats good news Quote Link to post
tomdean 4 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 just thought id add another qustion to this topic rather than start a new one. ive just got my FAC back with a .243 o n it with the condition i be mentored the chap i have as a mentor i have been going out shooting a rimfire for several years and i normally with him when he goes after deer or fox. just wanted to know how long is ideal to be mentored as hes gettin on abit and doesnt go out half as much as i want. i know most off you will say as soon as he says im safe but is it better from the eyes of the police if i give a few months or longer?? Thanks Quote Link to post
woz 260 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 It's all a sticky situation really.....nobody iv heard of has lost there ticket for shooting without there mentor present......I shot rifles for many years....been successful in competition shooting and put many thousand shots in the field......iv moved house and for personal reasons I sold up....its been twelve months with FAC and I'd like rifles again.....iv been told I will have to start again abd won't be able to have an open ticket....... Quote Link to post
The one 8,402 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Theres no legal requirement to be mentored if your in basc, etc get them to speak to your chief of police and not your f.a.o. Quote Link to post
air gun ant 1,666 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Do you have to nominate someone to be a mentor? Or is just up to you to make sure you are with "someone" who has an FAC? I don't remember seeing a mentor section on the application forms? Quote Link to post
The one 8,402 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Do you have to nominate someone to be a mentor? Or is just up to you to make sure you are with "someone" who has an FAC? I don't remember seeing a mentor section on the application forms? Thats because ITS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Mentoring won't be mentioned until the enquiry officer comes to visit. As The one says, it is not a legal requirement, merely something licensing departments are using more frequently in order to pass some of the responsibility to another person. It is worth having someone in mind who is willing to act as your mentor but again, some forces simply don't use it. Quote Link to post
The one 8,402 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 They cant force you into being Mentored but it would be interesting to see who's got the bottle to say so when it might affect them getting a fire arms cert Quote Link to post
paulwgun 1 Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Just to bring you all up to date, I sent a covering letter to say my son was competent in all aspects. He also sent a letter asking for this restriction to be lifted he got his ticket yesterday.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. under firearms possessed ************ NO ENTRIES******************** Under firearms authorised to purchase or acquire ...................is listed all of my rifles and pistols.............. So effectively we can now double up on our firearms (not that we have any intention of doing so) The FEO's concern was the amount of ammunition we would hold as his is the same as mine ie we can both possess 1,200 rf rounds, 700 each of .223, .17hmr, .308 I think i need to speak to them again as his ticket is saying he cannot be in possession of any rifles Quote Link to post
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