Pup Growling

[graham4877 1,181]

So let me get this right. You can't give it a quick clip round the lug if it growls at you. You have to sit and hand feed the thing. If you do give it a clip then it will be in fear of your hand and will bite you if you put your hand near it?? Be the last f*****g bite it had then.

Beginning to see why Baw has a disliking to them.... Lol

it does make me laugh ................they would be talking to it with a pup in its mouth or if its on top of a sheep.................................leave it theres a good dog ..........ffs

I dont like to take the piss as there are some very good points made on this thread but i do think the same as you mate....pussy footing about with dogs is not for me and its seems to work ok...however i have and never will have a saluki and it seems they are very different from most working breeds where a boot up the arse usually works fine for a nasty bugger. I do wonder if these forms of training were around 60/70 years ago or did the majority just go with the clip round the lug. And before anyone starts if you cant tell the difference between a telling off and a beating then maybe you shouldn't have dogs....

and that is the problem with some people lab..

If one of my pups is a bit nippy i don't twat it. i push my hand back in to it gob , if that don't work i bite it.... my old springer got really nasty @7yo and latched on to my arm...so it got a blow of milk

[Lab 10,979]

So let me get this right. You can't give it a quick clip round the lug if it growls at you. You have to sit and hand feed the thing. If you do give it a clip then it will be in fear of your hand and will bite you if you put your hand near it?? Be the last f*****g bite it had then.

Beginning to see why Baw has a disliking to them.... Lol

it does make me laugh ................they would be talking to it with a pup in its mouth or if its on top of a sheep.................................leave it theres a good dog ..........ffs

I dont like to take the piss as there are some very good points made on this thread but i do think the same as you mate....pussy footing about with dogs is not for me and its seems to work ok...however i have and never will have a saluki and it seems they are very different from most working breeds where a boot up the arse usually works fine for a nasty bugger. I do wonder if these forms of training were around 60/70 years ago or did the majority just go with the clip round the lug. And before anyone starts if you cant tell the difference between a telling off and a beating then maybe you shouldn't have dogs....

and that is the problem with some people lab..

If one of my pups is a bit nippy i don't twat it. i push my hand back in to it gob , if that don't work i bite it.... my old springer got really nasty @7yo and latched on to my arm...so it got a blow of milk

A friend of mine got a wee cocker a while back. Cracking wee dog. I was mucking about with it and it tried to bite me....i grabbed it and pushed it down on the ground just to show it who was boss...f*****g squealed the place down. Never seen him for a while and spoke to him the other day and its growling and trying to bite people. He never got on top of it and its turned out to be a wee b*****d. Seemingly it chases everything it sees from pheasants to sparrows..............i said he could bury it up here...

[graham4877 1,181]

So let me get this right. You can't give it a quick clip round the lug if it growls at you. You have to sit and hand feed the thing. If you do give it a clip then it will be in fear of your hand and will bite you if you put your hand near it?? Be the last f*****g bite it had then.

Beginning to see why Baw has a disliking to them.... Lol

it does make me laugh ................they would be talking to it with a pup in its mouth or if its on top of a sheep.................................leave it theres a good dog ..........ffs

I dont like to take the piss as there are some very good points made on this thread but i do think the same as you mate....pussy footing about with dogs is not for me and its seems to work ok...however i have and never will have a saluki and it seems they are very different from most working breeds where a boot up the arse usually works fine for a nasty bugger. I do wonder if these forms of training were around 60/70 years ago or did the majority just go with the clip round the lug. And before anyone starts if you cant tell the difference between a telling off and a beating then maybe you shouldn't have dogs....

and that is the problem with some people lab..

If one of my pups is a bit nippy i don't twat it. i push my hand back in to it gob , if that don't work i bite it.... my old springer got really nasty @7yo and latched on to my arm...so it got a blow of milk

A friend of mine got a wee cocker a while back. Cracking wee dog. I was mucking about with it and it tried to bite me....i grabbed it and pushed it down on the ground just to show it who was boss...f*****g squealed the place down. Never seen him for a while and spoke to him the other day and its growling and trying to bite people. He never got on top of it and its turned out to be a wee b*****d. Seemingly it chases everything it sees from pheasants to sparrows..............i said he could bury it up here...

No time for dogs like that..if not put right their and then,, well you know... blow a milk jobby

other people may not agree, but i have other dogs to think about and i'm not going to court after its latched onto some kid only for it to be put down and my other animals taken from me

[WILF 48,801]

just need a bit of advise is it normal for a fifteen week old pup to growl if you put your hand near its dish, had dogs for a fair few years and never come across this with any of my dogs.

 

Leather the living shit out of the wee c**t

[mooney1 120]

just need a bit of advise is it normal for a fifteen week old pup to growl if you put your hand near its dish, had dogs for a fair few years and never come across this with any of my dogs.

 

Leather the living shit out of the wee c**t

thanks for the reply pal, but i dont think thats the right remedy somehow.

[graham4877 1,181]

just need a bit of advise is it normal for a fifteen week old pup to growl if you put your hand near its dish, had dogs for a fair few years and never come across this with any of my dogs.

 

Leather the living shit out of the wee c**t

thanks for the reply pal, but i dont think thats the right remedy somehow.

mate its worked on his kids

[WILF 48,801]

just need a bit of advise is it normal for a fifteen week old pup to growl if you put your hand near its dish, had dogs for a fair few years and never come across this with any of my dogs.

 

Leather the living shit out of the wee c**t

thanks for the reply pal, but i dont think thats the right remedy somehow.

 

Fair enough but genuine question, why don't you think so?.......if a dog did that to an alpha in a pack it would get savaged!

[mooney1 120]

I know what you mean by that pal , but the dog is not in a pack.I want to form a good relationship with her so she is not frightend but knows who the boss is. and I don't think beating a dog is the answer

[matt1979 766]

The dog in question is 15 weeks old (i.e a pup) and if it did get brave and try and nick some food at that age most packs would tolerate the cheeky git and perhaps give it a growl. To think it would get savaged by the aplha isnt true iam afraid, pups get away with murder at that age and adults are generally very forgiving. I would suggest this pup has had alot of sibling rivalry as a pup and learnt to defend its food to get its fair share, nothing uncommon. I would follow the sensible advice previosuly given and it will be sorted in a few weeks.

[Casso 1,261]

The hand feeding is only one link in a chain of how the pup should interact with you because fear is untrainable, a nervous dog cant be trained, he's functioning on instinct , particularly nervy sensitive dogs are more prey like than predator, they're flighty and unsure of themselves because of how they feel inside,

 

to break this down further every animal has a certain resistance to every other, every animal has predator/prey in there make up same as us we are now top predator but once we were prey and we still feel resistance making contact with certain large animals, its not only that we think we shouldn't make contact we feel it inside we feel it in the body our heart races and our stomach churns they have too much resistance value and not just on the African plain large domestic animals cows with calves, bulls, horses all have a high predatory value to us they all have huge energy potential inside them and could kill us very easily,

 

they have the potential to give us their energy in that i mean if you go into a field with a dog with cows and calves and you will become prey like because if you dont get the f**k out of their pronto its all over, prey/ predator in all animals, energy flows from the predator to the prey NOT the other way around

 

whats this got to do with the dog, the fact is the more confident assured with no fear of us a dog is the more energy he can give us ,the only time we really need to control a dog is when he's energised, thats when he has energy to give and thats the test of our control and if we are too dominant/predator like he will always chose the easier option,the more preylike option and take off because energy cant flow up hill so when lads confront the mutt over whatever the infringement is i know what sort of control they have over the mutt , they will always need to discipline the dog when energy levels get too high in the mutt

 

so when we feel we need to beat a dog down to control it we are making the dog wilder as such and the more preylike the dog becomes the more it will tune us out and start sniffing about the place when trying to train because it wont be able to deal with our resistance value its too much, too high for the dog, why wont the f**kin mutt listen to me , im the pack leader, and at one time i was hood winked as well,

 

 

i dont confront a dog for coming into my space dont discipline for jumping it , teach how to make contact in whatever form you like, let it grow in confidence , manage it , a robin was never tamed eating on the bird table we call it tame when its feeding out of our hand,

best of luck with it

[WILF 48,801]

I know what you mean by that pal , but the dog is not in a pack.I want to form a good relationship with her so she is not frightend but knows who the boss is. and I don't think beating a dog is the answer

 

Some cracking posts in this thread and everyone does things their own way.

I never hit a dog for anything except for in-appropriate agression, be that to humans, other dogs or whatever.......jmho, but in-appropriate agression must be clamped down on without mercy because a dog that bites things you dont want it to bite is a liability and a danger.

 

I absolutely subscribe to the school of though that you train a dog with your mind not your boot, but nearly all the things we train our dogs for carry no risk of injury to others so if you f**k it up, it dont really matter.

 

I have a 70lb bull blooded dog in my kennel now that would have, prior to the ban, leather most things without mercy but I can put any puppys in with him when they first go to outside kennel, my kids can handle him and so can my wife or strangers, he is fine round strange dogs be it outside or in the back of a truck........the bull blooded dog before him was exactly the same.

 

Both tryed the growling with the food bowl thing as puppies (most puppies do i reckon) and it only took a couple of times and they never did it again......but, I am very hard about unwanted agression.

 

My dog has as close a bond with me as anyone could have with a dog.....he is very much, MY dog and most importantly one I can trust around things.......he dont fear me at all, in fact I can often see him cock a deaf ear when we are out and he knows he is doing it BUT he fully understands that if he is not at his work then he best not even curl a lip at anything.

 

He may prove me wrong one day, who knows, but so far so good.

Good luck with your pup matey

[satan and todd 125]

mine are all boot trained

[WILF 48,801]

Well, you can only use the tools you have access too cant you matey

[satan and todd 125]

i dare bet my tools are far sharper the yours in my box and ive never met you only read the shit you type on here

[WILF 48,801]

i dare bet my tools are far sharper the yours in my box and ive never met you only read the shit you type on here

 

yeah.....but are we still friends?