ryan1973 0 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 not been on for a long time but anyway , went to irleland febuary this year , took over two racing whippets for a mate . we were bringing back three beagle crosses not big hounds, but we are a gun pack and these do the job great, also two bull cross running dogs,my mate bought a russel young dog i bought lakeland bull bitch and a lakeland dog.came back by ferry from belfast to liverpool,it was only a quick visit we were only there for one day. anyway at liverpool we were pulled over by the police who thought the vehicle was over crowded,we were in a long wheelbase landrover with a ifor williams back on it,it also had factory made carrying terrier boxes inside. all the dogs were checked over, but the lakeland bull bitch i bought was taken, she had a wound to her jaw but it had been seen to by a vet over there,i explained this to the rspca but they still tooke the dog. a police woman there gave us a hard time from the word go, that was six months ago,ive kerp in touch with them,but was told they could keep her another six months, ive not yet been charged with anything. two neighbours of mine told me soon after this happened that the rspca came when i was out and posted contact numbers for them to phone, they said they were asked if they would be willing to sighn documents to say they had seen me with the terriers in question before the date i bought them, this is the rspca for you two bob c---s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benji benji 60 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 set of wankers mate should of gave you your dogs back by now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coonboy 160 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 What did the neighbour say to them ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 21,103 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Take legal advice NOW! http://clivereessolicitor.com/ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
secretagentmole 1,701 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Arrest the RSPCA for theft, easy to prove the dog had been under treatment for the jaw wound and that the RSPCA ignored your volunteered information. State that you do not believe the dog is being treated well and certainly not up to your standards. Say they have stolen something of monetary value (you have a receipt), they have deprived you of that dog and you want the dog plus compensation! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris k 205 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 cant do with the rspca. i visited there pound down bradford and they where the worse conditions ide ever seen for a dog! they should shut them down and divide there powers with other dog rescues such as dogs trust. hope you get your dog bk mate 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeakOil 352 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 http://the-shg.org/index.htm The RSPCA is a charity. The Inspectorate is NOT a public law enforcement body. Society Inspectors have NO special legal powers whatsoever. They have NO special powers to arrest offenders. They have NO right to enter your home to inspect your animals or to demand that you answer any of their questions. They have NO right of access to shows, fairs and markets other than as members of the public, and can only carry out any law enforcement function as an assistant to a police-officer, upon that officer’s request. They have NO power to stop, obstruct or otherwise detain any vehicle carrying animals. Whilst the Society’s staff issue criminal proceedings against offenders, they do so by way of private prosecution. Members of the Inspectorate wear uniforms which make them as much like police officers as the law will allow. They are not. The LOWEST "rank" in the Inspectorate is Inspector (apart from Trainee Inspectors). Above that they have "Chief Inspectors", "Superintendent", ’ and "Chief Superintendents". None of these ranks are officers of the Crown, and have no legal significance whatsoever. They are designed to impress the public. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeakOil 352 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 An uniformed RSPCA inspector arrives. They may knock at the door or you will see them looking into sheds, stables and buildings. They say that they have had a report about your animals and would like to check them. · Have they any rights to be on your property? ................................ NO!! · Do they have any special legal powers? ......................................... NO!! · Can they demand entry to your dwelling to look at your animals? ... NO!! · Can they demand that you answer questions? ................................ NO!! What should you do?? Be polite, but very firm and refuse them entry. Tell them to leave. If they refuse you are entitled to use reasonable force to eject them, as you would any other common trespasser. If a policeman is present, ask him to leave unless he has a warrant, or is going to arrest you. Do not volunteer any information. Keep your mouth shut, Refuse to answer any questions. Do not even give your name. They may caution you and tell you that you are not under arrest, using the standard police wording. They may do their best to ignore you and talk over you, trying to goad you into giving answers to their allegations. The uniform, the caution, and the general demeanour are meant to intimidate you. You may feel that you are being helpful to let them in and have a look round and you may feel that you have nothing to hide but do not let yourself be lulled into a false sense of security. Many innocent animal keepers have lost their animals in this way. If you allow them in you are opening yourself up to problems which could lead to you losing your animals even if you are a good and conscientious keeper. THE RSPCA DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL POWERS WHATSOEVER. Get names, numbers, and rank of any person present, write them down. Cancel going shopping next day, the RSPCA has a habit of returning when you are not there. People have returned to find all their animals gone and receipts nailed to a post or door. If possible move your animals to neighbours and friends you can trust. What to do when they have left. Don't sit down and think that is the end of it. Your battle has only just started.. Get photographs of all your stock, land and premises. Get your vet out to look at all of your animals and get him to write a report. Act immediately on any recommendations he has. The written report is essential. Get specialist legal advice. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeakOil 352 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Animal owners should be aware that if during an RSPCA prosecution they give permission for their vet to discuss their animals with the RSPCA or the policeman seizing them, they are waiving all future rights to client privilege during pending court proceedings. This becomes important if your vet is ( or later becomes as a result of RSPCA involvement) critical in any way. It is of use to the RSPCA in some cases where the owner's vet examined the animals but is not being called for the defence, with a view to issuing a witness summons to the vet. If the accused has waived their right to confidentiality the vet can then disclose to the prosecution any adverse advice or reports that would otherwise have remained unseen, and give evidence against the defendant. The answer is: Dont allow your vet to talk to the RSPCA or the police until you have a report in writing ( possibly handwritten on the day) that you know is favourable to you. Wherever possible your vet should not disclose or say anything that has not been specifically cleared by your solicitor. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Get a brief now you should have done it on the day stand up to the twats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 not been on for a long time but anyway , went to irleland febuary this year , took over two racing whippets for a mate . we were bringing back three beagle crosses not big hounds, but we are a gun pack and these do the job great, also two bull cross running dogs,my mate bought a russel young dog i bought lakeland bull bitch and a lakeland dog.came back by ferry from belfast to liverpool,it was only a quick visit we were only there for one day. anyway at liverpool we were pulled over by the police who thought the vehicle was over crowded,we were in a long wheelbase landrover with a ifor williams back on it,it also had factory made carrying terrier boxes inside. all the dogs were checked over, but the lakeland bull bitch i bought was taken, she had a wound to her jaw but it had been seen to by a vet over there,i explained this to the rspca but they still tooke the dog. a police woman there gave us a hard time from the word go, that was six months ago,ive kerp in touch with them,but was told they could keep her another six months, ive not yet been charged with anything. two neighbours of mine told me soon after this happened that the rspca came when i was out and posted contact numbers for them to phone, they said they were asked if they would be willing to sighn documents to say they had seen me with the terriers in question before the date i bought them, this is the rspca for you two bob c---s. ask your nighbour. Will he give a statement regarding there line of questioning and the willingness to fabricate. Evidence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
craigyboy 1,274 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 An uniformed RSPCA inspector arrives. They may knock at the door or you will see them looking into sheds, stables and buildings. They say that they have had a report about your animals and would like to check them. · Have they any rights to be on your property? ................................ NO!! · Do they have any special legal powers? ......................................... NO!! · Can they demand entry to your dwelling to look at your animals? ... NO!! · Can they demand that you answer questions? ................................ NO!! What should you do?? Be polite, but very firm and refuse them entry. Tell them to leave. If they refuse you are entitled to use reasonable force to eject them, as you would any other common trespasser. If a policeman is present, ask him to leave unless he has a warrant, or is going to arrest you. Do not volunteer any information. Keep your mouth shut, Refuse to answer any questions. Do not even give your name. They may caution you and tell you that you are not under arrest, using the standard police wording. They may do their best to ignore you and talk over you, trying to goad you into giving answers to their allegations. The uniform, the caution, and the general demeanour are meant to intimidate you. You may feel that you are being helpful to let them in and have a look round and you may feel that you have nothing to hide but do not let yourself be lulled into a false sense of security. Many innocent animal keepers have lost their animals in this way. If you allow them in you are opening yourself up to problems which could lead to you losing your animals even if you are a good and conscientious keeper. THE RSPCA DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL POWERS WHATSOEVER. Get names, numbers, and rank of any person present, write them down. Cancel going shopping next day, the RSPCA has a habit of returning when you are not there. People have returned to find all their animals gone and receipts nailed to a post or door. If possible move your animals to neighbours and friends you can trust. What to do when they have left. Don't sit down and think that is the end of it. Your battle has only just started.. Get photographs of all your stock, land and premises. Get your vet out to look at all of your animals and get him to write a report. Act immediately on any recommendations he has. The written report is essential. Get specialist legal advice. spot on mate,some kunt reported me once for my patterdale having some old scarring and a bit of skin missing under his jaw,i looked out the kitchen window and could see a hat,along the top of the fence,he was trying to see over,so i opened the gate and said can i help you,he said he,d had a report about my dogs and he would like a look at them,i told him politely to feck off and shut the gate,the kunt came back the next day with the old bill and guess what, i didnt even own any dogs 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Knock me sick hope you get it sorted and the rspca get another shoeing for being useless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryan1973 0 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 thanks for your replies to my rspca topic, ryan 1973, to coonboy what did the neighbours say,they know me well, told the rspca where they could shove it . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 thanks for your replies to my rspca topic, ryan 1973, to coonboy what did the neighbours say,they know me well, told the rspca where they could shove it . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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