Malt 379 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Link to a petition to ask the Welsh assembly government think again about the proposed marine conservation zones here in my county. Please take the time to sign, as this will effect fishermen, recreational anglers, wildfowlers and even kids searching in rock pools. The proposed areas are not currently over exploited and very little commercial activities actually take place within them. These zones have been proposed by a charity called the Marine Conservation Society and are yet another case of charities trying to impose their political ideals over the rest of us.. https://www.assemblywales.org/gethome/e-petitions/epetition-list-of-signatories.htm?pet_id=760&showfrm=0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Caprelous 217 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I accept that these zones can affect the lives of local fishermen etc but studying projects like those adopted on the Isle of Arran and around the Isle of Lundy, The only two that are at the moment in existence. surely this can only benefit nursery areas where the wildlife has a sanctuary to replenish the creatures that have been harvested to near extinction giving them time to recover. Personally I believe such areas do need to exist around the British isles or future generations will not be able to harvest the sea or for that matter recreational activities such as fishing will not happen due to the sea being raped of its wildlife. like all Management of Wildlife provision for continuation of the species should be included in a long term plan. Just my honest opinion and I accept that it may not be shared with others. Regards stu 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 The sea has been raped yes but not by sport fishermen or local fishermen , the need for recovery is in the hands of the wrong people so called experts shutting down the fishery when pockets will do allowing the regeneration process to feed the open water , the big outsiders trawling the coast line is the main issue and the weak mps we have in Brussels letting them dictate to us , are local fish dock is full of Spanish , Belgium , trawlers , fishing the Irish sea and raping it , generations of fishermen around are coast have been sold down the river by decommissioning. And then the eu boats come in , there are already good practices in place around are coast run by local fisher men NOT SOME POSH TOTTY in a fishermans jumper 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) I agree with what you say in respect to Eu Commercial fishermen but by continuing to take by who evers at fault without putting things in place for it to recover wont achieve anything. More needs to be done in control of raping the sea bed and stopping those people from doing it and also more needs to be done to help the sea to recover and thats one of the reasons I wont be signing the against petition. Its like saying please sign a petition to let the EU Fishermen trawl our waters and take our countrymans living away no different. Both need to be done for the sea to recover. In the mean time creating areas for stocks to regenerate can only help us to recover from some of the damage caused, by continuing all we would be doing is burying our head in the sand hoping its all going to sort itself out by iteself and that as we all know that isn't going to happen. It needs mans intervention. Regards Stuart Edited July 10, 2012 by Caprelous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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tegater 789 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 There used to be a small marine conservation area up in the Summer Isles, off the north west coast of Scotland, some years ago, and infact it still may be in place. The general concept is great, as nothing could be taken from the sea bed, such as crabs and lobsters, but line caught fish were, as far as I remember. The good thing for local fisherman, was that it was comparativly only a very small area that it covered, but for the lobsters etc it gave them a small sanctuary, if they were lucky enough to be in it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 There used to be a small marine conservation area up in the Summer Isles, off the north west coast of Scotland, some years ago, and infact it still may be in place. The general concept is great, as nothing could be taken from the sea bed, such as crabs and lobsters, but line caught fish were, as far as I remember. The good thing for local fisherman, was that it was comparativly only a very small area that it covered, but for the lobsters etc it gave them a small sanctuary, if they were lucky enough to be in it. This is totally different mate, a highly protected conservation zone where you you're not even supposed to turn a stone over.. Wouldn't matter so much if it was somewhere remote an inaccessible, but in this case it isn't.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Malt these type of conservation zones like the one on Arran imposed by SNH to protect the sea bed and conserve a nursery zone is designated in small areas so the underwater sea life can regenerate and breed where they then expand to areas that are not protected . Fish stocks in the surrounding areas have improved dramatically that other conservation groups have noticed that they work where other areas are suffering so they are following suit. Like you say no shell fish or fishing by any means be it rod or commercial is allowed in the designated areas. Marine scientist must have researched the areas in the areas you say are being affected by the proposed order and their finding put before government bodies with their recommendations to enhance other surrounding areas that will benefit from the egress of expansion from that area protected. I can understand how you personally feel aggrieved and also others who use the area for sport fishing.wildfowling etc but these measures can only benefit the marine environment long term and its with that in mind they wish to implement these restrictive zones. I cant believe its going to be huge areas of coast line with these restrictions on in any case as the object of the scientists findings are pocket protection to help the sea bed to recover. Have you further details of the proposed zones where they intend these restrictions to apply with vectars from land marks etc. Cheers Stu Edited July 10, 2012 by Caprelous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Malt 379 Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Stu, it's not a case of implementing them and letting the sea bed recover, if that was the case then most would be able to accept and understand that. The areas local to me are largely unexploited commercially, and the type of activities carried out there locally are mostly for leisure, are totally sustainable, and have been done there for donkeys years. Also, if it was local people who wanted this then that would also be fair enough, but it's not. I don't know one person who is in favour of them. This is not some isolated area on the west coast of Scotland miles from anywhere, it is the heart of a close knit coastal community who spend a large part of their lives at the coast. The sea, coastline and activities on it and in it are part of our local culture and in the very fabric of who we are. What gives a charity from away the right to dictate to us what we can and can't do in our own area? People have been doing the same for generations while living in total harmony with the surroundings. Truth be told, we'll damn well continue to go about our business no matter what the outcome.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tegater 789 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 There used to be a small marine conservation area up in the Summer Isles, off the north west coast of Scotland, some years ago, and infact it still may be in place. The general concept is great, as nothing could be taken from the sea bed, such as crabs and lobsters, but line caught fish were, as far as I remember. The good thing for local fisherman, was that it was comparativly only a very small area that it covered, but for the lobsters etc it gave them a small sanctuary, if they were lucky enough to be in it. This is totally different mate, a highly protected conservation zone where you you're not even supposed to turn a stone over.. Wouldn't matter so much if it was somewhere remote an inaccessible, but in this case it isn't.. I didnt realise all that Malt, the coast is there for the freedom of all. I will get it signed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Stu, it's not a case of implementing them and letting the sea bed recover, if that was the case then most would be able to accept and understand that. The areas local to me are largely unexploited commercially, and the type of activities carried out there locally are mostly for leisure, are totally sustainable, and have been done there for donkeys years. Also, if it was local people who wanted this then that would also be fair enough, but it's not. I don't know one person who is in favour of them. This is not some isolated area on the west coast of Scotland miles from anywhere, it is the heart of a close knit coastal community who spend a large part of their lives at the coast. The sea, coastline and activities on it and in it are part of our local culture and in the very fabric of who we are. What gives a charity from away the right to dictate to us what we can and can't do in our own area? People have been doing the same for generations while living in total harmony with the surroundings. Truth be told, we'll damn well continue to go about our business no matter what the outcome.. Stu, it's not a case of implementing them and letting the sea bed recover, if that was the case then most would be able to accept and understand that. The areas local to me are largely unexploited commercially, and the type of activities carried out there locally are mostly for leisure, are totally sustainable, and have been done there for donkeys years. Also, if it was local people who wanted this then that would also be fair enough, but it's not. I don't know one person who is in favour of them. This is not some isolated area on the west coast of Scotland miles from anywhere, it is the heart of a close knit coastal community who spend a large part of their lives at the coast. The sea, coastline and activities on it and in it are part of our local culture and in the very fabric of who we are. What gives a charity from away the right to dictate to us what we can and can't do in our own area? People have been doing the same for generations while living in total harmony with the surroundings. Truth be told, we'll damn well continue to go about our business no matter what the outcome.. Hi Malt Where abouts on the Welsh coastline are these intended restrictions.? Talking of sea fishing I am down next week to Anglesey Family Holiday in my caravan I have got my tackle already packed . Hope its not around Moelfre as usually theres good rod fishing off the rocks around there. Cheers Stu Edited July 10, 2012 by Caprelous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tegater 789 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Stu, it's not a case of implementing them and letting the sea bed recover, if that was the case then most would be able to accept and understand that. The areas local to me are largely unexploited commercially, and the type of activities carried out there locally are mostly for leisure, are totally sustainable, and have been done there for donkeys years. Also, if it was local people who wanted this then that would also be fair enough, but it's not. I don't know one person who is in favour of them. This is not some isolated area on the west coast of Scotland miles from anywhere, it is the heart of a close knit coastal community who spend a large part of their lives at the coast. The sea, coastline and activities on it and in it are part of our local culture and in the very fabric of who we are. What gives a charity from away the right to dictate to us what we can and can't do in our own area? People have been doing the same for generations while living in total harmony with the surroundings. Truth be told, we'll damn well continue to go about our business no matter what the outcome.. Stu, it's not a case of implementing them and letting the sea bed recover, if that was the case then most would be able to accept and understand that. The areas local to me are largely unexploited commercially, and the type of activities carried out there locally are mostly for leisure, are totally sustainable, and have been done there for donkeys years. Also, if it was local people who wanted this then that would also be fair enough, but it's not. I don't know one person who is in favour of them. This is not some isolated area on the west coast of Scotland miles from anywhere, it is the heart of a close knit coastal community who spend a large part of their lives at the coast. The sea, coastline and activities on it and in it are part of our local culture and in the very fabric of who we are. What gives a charity from away the right to dictate to us what we can and can't do in our own area? People have been doing the same for generations while living in total harmony with the surroundings. Truth be told, we'll damn well continue to go about our business no matter what the outcome.. Hi Malt Where abouts on the Welsh coastline are these intended restrictions.? Talking of sea fishing I am down next week to Anglesey Family Holiday in my caravan I have got my tackle already packed . Hope its not around Moelfre as usually theres good rod fishing off the rocks around there. Cheers Stu Mackeral cooked as soon as it is caught, or eat raw as soon as it is caught, is better than Salmon imo Stu. Even better with a squeeze of lime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Stu, the one that concerns me is Dale and the entrance to the Milford haven waterway.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18576985 http://www.mczmapping.org/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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