troter58 1,711 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) I`m with Jai on the mouthy Spaniel thing. My dog works hard but never yaps, or (god forbid) barks at game, jees, that would be mortifying. Be like having a barking lurcher ! lol. Honestly though, If you want to push quarry out, then get a dog that was designed to do that job. A Spaniel. but a good well built Cocker. I'd like to see some of the folk on here trying to train one though Be grey in no time! But aye, get a running dog for hunting and running andwhy not a cover dog for cover. Was watching this wee beddy getting into cover today and no chance would a beddy x whippet have got in there the same, why not a beddy whippet is not much bigger than a beddy and i would gladly show you two that can get where any cocker or terrier can get and nail there game in cover as well to be honest i think your thinking a cross beddy whippet is the size of a whippet the two i go out with are two dogs 16/18 inchs and will work all day full on if theres game to find they find it atb troter Not being a cnut mate, but I doubt very much a dog like that could do some of the stuff my Cocker does, he does bramble that you could walk over the top off. Seriously hard dog, A whippet type would be torn to pieces and would struggle to barge its way through. I'm always of the opinion, that those, that think, that a lurcher can work cover as well as a spaniel, have never seen a good spaniel. Troter - you want to bet a beddy/whip at 16-18 inch tts can get ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE a good bushing terrier or working cocker can???? I really don't buy it, and im not knocking the beddy/whips at all. every man to his own but i tell you buy it or not i have been around working dogs all my life 5o odd years and i would take your money off you and worked terriers and bushing dogs on all sorts of land thats my game not after a row with any one just what i seen and done in my time as for whippet type and getting ripped to bits why first cross beddy whippet good jacket never been ripped to bits atb Edited June 27, 2012 by troter58 2 Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I`m with Jai on the mouthy Spaniel thing. My dog works hard but never yaps, or (god forbid) barks at game, jees, that would be mortifying. Be like having a barking lurcher ! lol. Honestly though, If you want to push quarry out, then get a dog that was designed to do that job. A Spaniel. but a good well built Cocker. I'd like to see some of the folk on here trying to train one though Be grey in no time! But aye, get a running dog for hunting and running andwhy not a cover dog for cover. Was watching this wee beddy getting into cover today and no chance would a beddy x whippet have got in there the same, why not a beddy whippet is not much bigger than a beddy and i would gladly show you two that can get where any cocker or terrier can get and nail there game in cover as well to be honest i think your thinking a cross beddy whippet is the size of a whippet the two i go out with are two dogs 16/18 inchs and will work all day full on if theres game to find they find it atb troter Not being a cnut mate, but I doubt very much a dog like that could do some of the stuff my Cocker does, he does bramble that you could walk over the top off. Seriously hard dog, A whippet type would be torn to pieces and would struggle to barge its way through. I'm always of the opinion, that those, that think, that a lurcher can work cover as well as a spaniel, have never seen a good spaniel. Troter - you want to bet a beddy/whip at 16-18 inch tts can get ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE a good bushing terrier or working cocker can???? I really don't buy it, and im not knocking the beddy/whips at all. every man to his own but i tell you buy it or not i have been around working dogs all my life 5o odd years and i would take your money off you and worked terriers and bushing dogs on all sorts of land thats my game not after a row with any one just what i seen and done in my time atb troter Aye, ok, like you said, it's each to their own Wouldn't mind seeing these beddy/whips work, if they are that good at working cover. Quote Link to post
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Jai I tthink you'd be surprised at what differing kinds of dogs can be like for bushing, one of the best dogs I've ever seen was a whippety mongrel that stood about 18 tts. It would go through cover like a spaniel and nail loads in cover and was a real handy thing around holes. 1 Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Jai I tthink you'd be surprised at what differing kinds of dogs can be like for bushing, one of the best dogs I've ever seen was a whippety mongrel that stood about 18 tts. It would go through cover like a spaniel and nail loads in cover and was a real handy thing around holes. I'm willing to be converted, i really am. I;ve just seen some fecking good spaniels, and when folk say that their lurcher will work cover just as well. . . . . i'm really sceptical. No doubt, they would be better than an average spaniel etc, but it's hard to beat a purpose bred dog, at the top of it's game, at any task. Like, many lurchers will retrieve from water well, as well in some situations as many labs, but i'd like to see them going out off the foreshore in driving icy rain, when there is ice hanging off their coat, after sitting up to their necks in it for an age, and battle against the tide to pull back in a goose or duck. I'm not talking about hunting up cover, and working hedges etc, but really pushing through big, tight places, a long the rabbit runs, smashing thorn and bramble aside etc. Quote Link to post
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Of course a purpose bred dog is gonna do it better that's common sense but to say a small lurcher ouldn't do it is a little short sighted tbh. Most of your experience is with dogs trained for the gun whereas a bushing dog working in tandem with runners are different, sometimes you want the bushing dog to give a little tongue so rhe runners can position themselves. 1 Quote Link to post
wuyang 513 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Talking of random bushing dogs, the best one i had was a little rescue border collie bitch, she would have held her own in any company, really suprised me how she managed to work through the cover. Quote Link to post
Guest born to run1083 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I`m with Jai on the mouthy Spaniel thing. My dog works hard but never yaps, or (god forbid) barks at game, jees, that would be mortifying. Be like having a barking lurcher ! lol. Honestly though, If you want to push quarry out, then get a dog that was designed to do that job. A Spaniel. but a good well built Cocker. I'd like to see some of the folk on here trying to train one though Be grey in no time! But aye, get a running dog for hunting and running and a cover dog for cover. Was watching this wee beddy getting into cover today and no chance would a beddy x whippet have got in there the same, So a 16tts bed/whip wouldn't fit into the same place a pure beddy would above ground?????? My mate said your more then welcome see his bed/whip bush I can promise I don't think it will be lacking. I'm that certain I would bet my life on it lol. It's no different to his other 2 terriers one being a pure beddy the mother to his bed/whip. Quote Link to post
derbylad1 293 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I haven't read all the posts, so i apoligise if i repeat something. But i was really thinking of a working cocker to work the bushes/hedgerows and they're f****n great at it. however i love my ferreting too much and they're a nightmare when doing that. I think i'm gonna have to go for a good terrier for the future....time to think tho. Quote Link to post
inan 841 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Has anyone got a beddy whippet predominantly for bushing and pushing stuff out of cover? I've got a terrier now and she is good at her job and I am really fond of her but when not working she is a pain in the arse. Just in general, bouncy, yappy, mental etc. Yeaterday the dogs didn't get a walk for the first time as we were out all day for my girlfriends birthday and this morning the terrier was going bezerk. Then she's pulling and choking herself on the walk. Etc. My lurcher is the opposite. Really chilled in the kennel and run, chilled out walking and when told to heel. But then when we get to a field and she's told to get on she is a different dog. If I could have a dog with the steady temperament of a lurcher which will bush and mooch like my terrier I would be laughing. Would a beddy whippet fit the bill? Gaz My rabbiting partner, Magwitch has a 3/4 whippet x1/4 beddie, from Sooty Sam lines, he has terrific prey drive, and a great nose he also has the added advantage of being able to catch what he flushes.There are some pics of him on here, running with my dogs. Quote Link to post
ratface89 29 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Stik to yur bush dogs inan yu no nowt abut cursing dogs!! Yu sausage Quote Link to post
inan 841 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Stik to yur bush dogs inan yu no nowt abut cursing dogs!! Yu sausage How old are you ,about 14? You went on the thread about Sankey's dogs , giving opinions of dogs you have never even seen run. Made a total prat of yourself on there, slaggin off a great bitch, got corrected and pulled to order by those that have seen it run including myself. Then , after failing to f** k up that thread you moved on to the one about Tony's bitch Turk, which you also slagged off. Tony sent me the video of Turk years ago, it probably died before you were out of your Father's ball bag. You've been c****d off on that thread, so now you've moved like a virus to this one. Do yourself, and everybody else a favour ,you illiterate little twerp, stop talking about things you have zero knowledge about, and trying to spoil threads good dog men are interested in. Instead of making a twat of yourself on here , why not spend your time learning to read and write. Edited June 27, 2012 by inan 4 Quote Link to post
patterdalejoel 669 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I haven't read all the posts, so i apoligise if i repeat something. But i was really thinking of a working cocker to work the bushes/hedgerows and they're f****n great at it. however i love my ferreting too much and they're a nightmare when doing that. I think i'm gonna have to go for a good terrier for the future....time to think tho. why are they a nightmare when ferreting? Quote Link to post
derbylad1 293 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 been out with two mate....little fuckers wouldn't stay still to find out what is happening below or about to happen. And with them permenantly running about, they where getting the lurchers all jeered for for f**k all. Great little bushing dogs but no good for ferreting that needs a ceratin amount of calm, steadiness and concertration. I might be wrong, but its from what i've seen. These cockers, were excellent to the hawks as well. Quote Link to post
Rake aboot 4,936 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 been out with two mate....little fuckers wouldn't stay still to find out what is happening below or about to happen. And with them permenantly running about, they where getting the lurchers all jeered for for f**k all. Great little bushing dogs but no good for ferreting that needs a ceratin amount of calm, steadiness and concertration. I might be wrong, but its from what i've seen. These cockers, were excellent to the hawks as well. Correct, Spaniels can be a proper pain in the tits when ferreting. Mine marks briliantly but is a little c**t when the ferrets are down, They are allergict to sitting still and if you try to work at a hole, digging, reaching in whetever, you better have the cocker peegged down or it will be sitting on your head seeing what you are up to. Quote Link to post
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