scothunter 12,609 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Agreed wilf. It's ak very well saying f**k them don't pay this or tell them to go f**k themselfs. However people have commitments. I agree it's not ideal and a lot of unfairness, but what's the alternative living like commies? We all know that's a pile of shit and more dangerous than the infrastructure we live in. Capitalism is what I've been brought up in, it works maybe not entirely fairly, but it does work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,022 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Agreed wilf. It's ak very well saying f**k them don't pay this or tell them to go f**k themselfs. However people have commitments. I agree it's not ideal and a lot of unfairness, but what's the alternative living like commies? We all know that's a pile of shit and more dangerous than the infrastructure we live in. Capitalism is what I've been brought up in, it works maybe not entirely fairly, but it does work. I agree the ordinary bloke has commitments and there are not many ways out for him....that's just how it is. Not fair but then life's not fair mate, there's no better system than capitalism yet invented.....it gives everyone an equal chance to do something......if you have the will, the brains, the work ethic and a lot of luck then the sky is the limit. To be honest it boils my piss seeing suedo socialists saying blokes taking full advantage of the system and earning a lot of money are immoral.....good luck to them I say, I don't envy the likes of Bill Gates or Fred Goodwin.....they knew their industry and took full advantage......good luck to them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 The Greeks wouldnt have argued with the Germans a few decades ago malt lol In fairness to the Germans, it's mostly their money they're pissing up the wall so they've every right to have their say but saying that if they're not extremely careful and willing to be a bit more flexible, they're going to get dragged down into the shit over this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Agreed wilf. It's ak very well saying f**k them don't pay this or tell them to go f**k themselfs. However people have commitments. I agree it's not ideal and a lot of unfairness, but what's the alternative living like commies? We all know that's a pile of shit and more dangerous than the infrastructure we live in. Capitalism is what I've been brought up in, it works maybe not entirely fairly, but it does work. I agree the ordinary bloke has commitments and there are not many ways out for him....that's just how it is. Not fair but then life's not fair mate, there's no better system than capitalism yet invented.....it gives everyone an equal chance to do something......if you have the will, the brains, the work ethic and a lot of luck then the sky is the limit. To be honest it boils my piss seeing suedo socialists saying blokes taking full advantage of the system and earning a lot of money are immoral.....good luck to them I say, I don't envy the likes of Bill Gates or Fred Goodwin.....they knew their industry and took full advantage......good luck to them. Agreed WILF but even Fred Goodwin and Bill Gates don't have a shilling compared to these. Put it this way, do we think that the Murdochs should have all the power with regards to the media in the UK? Of course not, so why is the entire monetary system controlled by a few families who promote inbreeding amongst cousins so they don't lose their slimy grips? It's a breeding ground for greed and corruption. Money speaks as they say, do you think 1 person who has manipulated the system to their advantage are going to compromise that to help others? Judges politicians financiers, the real movers and shakers couldn't give a shit and cover up what they really know. Capitalism works but this isn't capitalism its a dictatorship. You or I have no choice, we can vote for who we want and make as much money as we want but the reality is we just do as we're told by a few families who've financed more wars and military action than anyone in history. This isn't going to end well either way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 It's far from a diictator state pj, you only have to look at other nations for that. I have freedom that they could ot dream of. Not saying you btw but some folk just hate any authority whatsoever. You normally find these paranoid loonies holed up in some shack with a cache of weapons And refuse to accept living in any society. That's not for me I like infrastructure stability and relative security. All those things need to be paid for by taxes Abd such like. Ive already conceded that there folk out there who get more than thier fair share of the pie, but I've need for you that's how it's always been since year dot. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,022 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Agreed WILF but even Fred Goodwin and Bill Gates don't have a shilling compared to these. Put it this way, do we think that the Murdochs should have all the power with regards to the media in the UK? Of course not, so why is the entire monetary system controlled by a few families who promote inbreeding amongst cousins so they don't lose their slimy grips? It's a breeding ground for greed and corruption. Money speaks as they say, do you think 1 person who has manipulated the system to their advantage are going to compromise that to help others? Judges politicians financiers, the real movers and shakers couldn't give a shit and cover up what they really know. Capitalism works but this isn't capitalism its a dictatorship. You or I have no choice, we can vote for who we want and make as much money as we want but the reality is we just do as we're told by a few families who've financed more wars and military action than anyone in history. This isn't going to end well either way. Why don't the Murdochs deserve all the power with the media mate?.....he bought it, he paid for it so it's his? It only matters if you choose to read it or watch it and believe it. Why should anyone compromise to help others for monetary reasons?....again, this implies that money should have morals which is does not and nor should it have. This is my point, it's a commodity in itself, like coffee or wheat or copper or oil.....we don't expect wheat or oil to have morality so why should money? I don't worry that a few families make the rules, my time would be better spent worrying how do I work the rules to get a bigger share amd keep more of it 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 RE Murdoch. Wilf, you only have to look at the power that owning large sections of the media can bring an individual. Do you think it's right that one individual was able to gain unprecedented access to a succession of prime ministers and in effect, try to blackmail them into altering national policy in his favour using the weight of said media organisations and the support they can give or deny? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,022 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 As I said mate, Rupert paid his money and he took the risk fair play to him.....if he had been a property developer or a computer manufacturer no one would bat an eyelid. The fact that politicians whore themselves to him says more about them than it does about him IMHO I don't buy news papers or read them as a rule so it don't effect me one bit boss. Atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Agreed WILF but even Fred Goodwin and Bill Gates don't have a shilling compared to these. Put it this way, do we think that the Murdochs should have all the power with regards to the media in the UK? Of course not, so why is the entire monetary system controlled by a few families who promote inbreeding amongst cousins so they don't lose their slimy grips? It's a breeding ground for greed and corruption. Money speaks as they say, do you think 1 person who has manipulated the system to their advantage are going to compromise that to help others? Judges politicians financiers, the real movers and shakers couldn't give a shit and cover up what they really know. Capitalism works but this isn't capitalism its a dictatorship. You or I have no choice, we can vote for who we want and make as much money as we want but the reality is we just do as we're told by a few families who've financed more wars and military action than anyone in history. This isn't going to end well either way. Why don't the Murdochs deserve all the power with the media mate?.....he bought it, he paid for it so it's his? It only matters if you choose to read it or watch it and believe it. Why should anyone compromise to help others for monetary reasons?....again, this implies that money should have morals which is does not and nor should it have. This is my point, it's a commodity in itself, like coffee or wheat or copper or oil.....we don't expect wheat or oil to have morality so why should money? I don't worry that a few families make the rules, my time would be better spent worrying how do I work the rules to get a bigger share amd keep more of it What I meant was, in the Murdoch case (and they aren't the only ones), they bought businesses and worked their way up. Fairplay, they deserve all their success. But the point I was making was that because of all that power in a very important aspect of our lives, it's enabled them to affect everyone else's lives for their own ends! I'm not a jealous man, money itself doesn't hold much allure to me anymore and those who played the game and won deserve it, on the whole. But when the line between creating personal wealth becomes blurred with affecting others to their detriment, it needs looking at. The amount of rich 'philanthropists' whose charities are just 'tax efficient' vehicles is unbelievable, but again that's by the by. The odd bout of redundancies to streamline someone's business, or undercutting competition I can understand, but when our justice system that they'd have you believe we pay for defends them on every occasion, it's not on. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 It's far from a diictator state pj, you only have to look at other nations for that. I have freedom that they could ot dream of. Not saying you btw but some folk just hate any authority whatsoever. You normally find these paranoid loonies holed up in some shack with a cache of weapons And refuse to accept living in any society. That's not for me I like infrastructure stability and relative security. All those things need to be paid for by taxes Abd such like. Ive already conceded that there folk out there who get more than thier fair share of the pie, but I've need for you that's how it's always been since year dot. Iraq was a dictator state, and a lot better off than when we went in for the second time! I understand taxes, but I'm trying to go beyond the political puppets that give us the impression of free choice and democracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,022 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) I get you mate, I really do but based on that logic all builders are c**ts! They make their money by using materials that are destroying the earth.....once you have dug a ton of ballast out the ground it stays dug, it ain't growing back! Same as oil, once it's burnt, it's burnt and it's poisoned us a bit in the process too......money, finance call it what you will is no different.......it's all just commodity and most commoditys have a victim, be it a blokes house, his freedom or the destruction of the earth. JMHO Edited June 18, 2012 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I get you mate, I really do but based on that logic all builders are c**ts! They make their money by using materials that are destroying the earth.....once you have dug a ton of ballast out the ground it stays dug, it ain't growing back! Same as oil, once it's burnt, it's burnt and it's poisoned us a bit in the process too......money, finance call it what you will is no different.......it's all just commodity and most commoditys have a victim, be it a blokes house or the destruction of the earth. JMHO The thing is WILF, and this is really what I'm trying to say, is that we need money no matter what. Or at the very least some form of currency. Wealth will alter people in some way shape or form, some for the better, others for the worse. That's unavoidable, and also a byproduct of being human, and I understand and accept that. But the way the system is regulated, financed, controlled and defended, is IMO inherently wrong. If you had a banknote printing machine, would you keep it to yourself, or give it to a stranger and say ''I'll borrow money off you and pay it back with interest'' (interest that doesn't exist yet, and may not exist unless you make the right investments)? That's how it works, and the rest of humanity have to suffer while they play their game. And it is just a game! We should applaud people for their successes, instead we don't (in the case of bankers and the like) so why is that? I think it's because on the whole we know they're doing something that is wrong, and worse, they're doing it knowingly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,022 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 As I said mate, I wonder if an oil man ever gos to work and thinks " I am killing the planet here" or a builder lays a brick and thinks " this had to get dug out the ground and destroyed a local habitat" .......that's effects everyone just the same as finance, except you notice a cut in your wages more than you notice acid rain or a quarry. The answer is of course they don't, they don't think about it at all, they just earn their money and crack on........no different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I blame politicians the most , for taking avoid system And f*****g it up. If they were also more honest And jumping in bed with nations that have thier own agenda and don't particulary like us. But when you get right down to it , they have no option now, they are in to deep Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Excuse my grammar btw on phone and for done reason I can't edit my posts now , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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