Ireland Irish Game Fair at Shanes - Prizes

[lesleyd 24]

Hunting folk that know what they are doing would know not to take a dog hunting until they are about 18 months to 2 year old and I am not talking about going up the park and giving a dog a slip on a bunny.I'm talking about a good 8 hours in the hills with the lamp on a WINTERS nite.Your last comment say it all about what is wrong with the shows at the moment people taking pups out from an early age working them on hard summer ground getting them injuries and then complaining when they don't get placed in shows for the rest of its life due to good judges knowing were to look for the injuries, then when that happens apparently everything else in the show was a show pony.

well i mustn't know what] i am doing, even though all i meant was that even if the pup only ever had its teeth into a couple of quarry it wud already be more of a "working dog" than most of the dogs that you see in the ring. and pups not getting placed cause of injuries cause of hard ground, not round ere the place is a swamp cause of the rain we get, i will be watching( in the puppy classes) out for the lame, hop along pups that shouldnt of bin allowed out of the kennel til they were 2 year old. most of the dogs in the ring are show ponies, what odds if they are, if thats what their owners r into showing not hunting. but you cannot say a pup should not be judged against a working dog when you do not know what each dog in the ring does out of that prestigious (lmao) show ring. unless your that much of an expert and you can just look in the dogs eyes and know it has caught vermin lol

 

Well you must be doing somthing wrong with a name like that !!!! do you also want to race your pup along with the older dogs to ??????????? think about it if you had to pick a dog to take out for the night which would you pick a 9 month old or a two year old ?because to me this is what a judge is looking for a dog that they would like to have at the of a lead on a nights hunting .

 

lesley d

[miss the fox 10]

MTF ,

 

For better or for worse the decision has been taken on the All Ireland Championships that pups are not eligible to compete for the overall championships BUT as I have said we do have a Puppy Championship where the whippet, lurcher & terrier pup compete against each other under three judges to be judged All Ireland Puppy Champion 2012 and apart from the title the winner will have a tankard and £25.

 

Albertj

good enough prize for overall pup winner, thanks for taking the time for taking this into consideration. good luck

[miss the fox 10]

Hunting folk that know what they are doing would know not to take a dog hunting until they are about 18 months to 2 year old and I am not talking about going up the park and giving a dog a slip on a bunny.I'm talking about a good 8 hours in the hills with the lamp on a WINTERS nite.Your last comment say it all about what is wrong with the shows at the moment people taking pups out from an early age working them on hard summer ground getting them injuries and then complaining when they don't get placed in shows for the rest of its life due to good judges knowing were to look for the injuries, then when that happens apparently everything else in the show was a show pony.

well i mustn't know what] i am doing, even though all i meant was that even if the pup only ever had its teeth into a couple of quarry it wud already be more of a "working dog" than most of the dogs that you see in the ring. and pups not getting placed cause of injuries cause of hard ground, not round ere the place is a swamp cause of the rain we get, i will be watching( in the puppy classes) out for the lame, hop along pups that shouldnt of bin allowed out of the kennel til they were 2 year old. most of the dogs in the ring are show ponies, what odds if they are, if thats what their owners r into showing not hunting. but you cannot say a pup should not be judged against a working dog when you do not know what each dog in the ring does out of that prestigious (lmao) show ring. unless your that much of an expert and you can just look in the dogs eyes and know it has caught vermin lol

 

Well you must be doing somthing wrong with a name like that !!!! do you also want to race your pup along with the older dogs to ??????????? think about it if you had to pick a dog to take out for the night which would you pick a 9 month old or a two year old ?because to me this is what a judge is looking for a dog that they would like to have at the of a lead on a nights hunting .

 

lesley d

that's an honest name, ya cant catch them all, that's y i wouldn't try to say i don't miss any, anyway a names a name on this argumentative forum u don't have to take it literally. why would i race a pup at a show sure it would break down on that "hard summer ground". fair enough yes you def would think with that thought in the judges mind the pup would not stand a chance against the older dogs in a final. not that it matters as pups are not in the final. but how come in the working classes and fox classes you continuously see the winners and they are just show dogs no signs of work, so ya wouldn't know what actually judges are looking for.

[lesleyd 24]

Hunting folk that know what they are doing would know not to take a dog hunting until they are about 18 months to 2 year old and I am not talking about going up the park and giving a dog a slip on a bunny.I'm talking about a good 8 hours in the hills with the lamp on a WINTERS nite.Your last comment say it all about what is wrong with the shows at the moment people taking pups out from an early age working them on hard summer ground getting them injuries and then complaining when they don't get placed in shows for the rest of its life due to good judges knowing were to look for the injuries, then when that happens apparently everything else in the show was a show pony.

well i mustn't know what] i am doing, even though all i meant was that even if the pup only ever had its teeth into a couple of quarry it wud already be more of a "working dog" than most of the dogs that you see in the ring. and pups not getting placed cause of injuries cause of hard ground, not round ere the place is a swamp cause of the rain we get, i will be watching( in the puppy classes) out for the lame, hop along pups that shouldnt of bin allowed out of the kennel til they were 2 year old. most of the dogs in the ring are show ponies, what odds if they are, if thats what their owners r into showing not hunting. but you cannot say a pup should not be judged against a working dog when you do not know what each dog in the ring does out of that prestigious (lmao) show ring. unless your that much of an expert and you can just look in the dogs eyes and know it has caught vermin lol

 

Well you must be doing somthing wrong with a name like that !!!! do you also want to race your pup along with the older dogs to ??????????? think about it if you had to pick a dog to take out for the night which would you pick a 9 month old or a two year old ?because to me this is what a judge is looking for a dog that they would like to have at the of a lead on a nights hunting .

 

lesley d

that's an honest name, ya cant catch them all, that's y i wouldn't try to say i don't miss any, anyway a names a name on this argumentative forum u don't have to take it literally. why would i race a pup at a show sure it would break down on that "hard summer ground". fair enough yes you def would think with that thought in the judges mind the pup would not stand a chance against the older dogs in a final. not that it matters as pups are not in the final. but how come in the working classes and fox classes you continuously see the winners and they are just show dogs no signs of work, so ya wouldn't know what actually judges are looking for.

could you go into a ring and pick out every dog that works keeping in mind that its the dog your looking at not the owner?

[miss the fox 10]

Hunting folk that know what they are doing would know not to take a dog hunting until they are about 18 months to 2 year old and I am not talking about going up the park and giving a dog a slip on a bunny.I'm talking about a good 8 hours in the hills with the lamp on a WINTERS nite.Your last comment say it all about what is wrong with the shows at the moment people taking pups out from an early age working them on hard summer ground getting them injuries and then complaining when they don't get placed in shows for the rest of its life due to good judges knowing were to look for the injuries, then when that happens apparently everything else in the show was a show pony.

well i mustn't know what] i am doing, even though all i meant was that even if the pup only ever had its teeth into a couple of quarry it wud already be more of a "working dog" than most of the dogs that you see in the ring. and pups not getting placed cause of injuries cause of hard ground, not round ere the place is a swamp cause of the rain we get, i will be watching( in the puppy classes) out for the lame, hop along pups that shouldnt of bin allowed out of the kennel til they were 2 year old. most of the dogs in the ring are show ponies, what odds if they are, if thats what their owners r into showing not hunting. but you cannot say a pup should not be judged against a working dog when you do not know what each dog in the ring does out of that prestigious (lmao) show ring. unless your that much of an expert and you can just look in the dogs eyes and know it has caught vermin lol

 

Well you must be doing somthing wrong with a name like that !!!! do you also want to race your pup along with the older dogs to ??????????? think about it if you had to pick a dog to take out for the night which would you pick a 9 month old or a two year old ?because to me this is what a judge is looking for a dog that they would like to have at the of a lead on a nights hunting .

 

lesley d

that's an honest name, ya cant catch them all, that's y i wouldn't try to say i don't miss any, anyway a names a name on this argumentative forum u don't have to take it literally. why would i race a pup at a show sure it would break down on that "hard summer ground". fair enough yes you def would think with that thought in the judges mind the pup would not stand a chance against the older dogs in a final. not that it matters as pups are not in the final. but how come in the working classes and fox classes you continuously see the winners and they are just show dogs no signs of work, so ya wouldn't know what actually judges are looking for.

could you go into a ring and pick out every dog that works keeping in mind that its the dog your looking at not the owner?

without looking at the owner doubt it, i have no prob with people who just show their dogs, its when they win the likes of a fox class with a dog that wouldn't no what a fox is that's when it annoys people. so in that class it should be easier to tell which dogs work . but at the end of the day its the judges decision and they get enough criticism and if a so called "big time hunter" doesn't win a wee rosette and throws a strop then they should be a judge see how they like being criticized for every decision they make. it should be a family day out and a bit of craic instead of everyone taking it so serious.

[AlbertJ 569]

Hunting folk that know what they are doing would know not to take a dog hunting until they are about 18 months to 2 year old and I am not talking about going up the park and giving a dog a slip on a bunny.I'm talking about a good 8 hours in the hills with the lamp on a WINTERS nite.Your last comment say it all about what is wrong with the shows at the moment people taking pups out from an early age working them on hard summer ground getting them injuries and then complaining when they don't get placed in shows for the rest of its life due to good judges knowing were to look for the injuries, then when that happens apparently everything else in the show was a show pony.

well i mustn't know what] i am doing, even though all i meant was that even if the pup only ever had its teeth into a couple of quarry it wud already be more of a "working dog" than most of the dogs that you see in the ring. and pups not getting placed cause of injuries cause of hard ground, not round ere the place is a swamp cause of the rain we get, i will be watching( in the puppy classes) out for the lame, hop along pups that shouldnt of bin allowed out of the kennel til they were 2 year old. most of the dogs in the ring are show ponies, what odds if they are, if thats what their owners r into showing not hunting. but you cannot say a pup should not be judged against a working dog when you do not know what each dog in the ring does out of that prestigious (lmao) show ring. unless your that much of an expert and you can just look in the dogs eyes and know it has caught vermin lol

 

Well you must be doing somthing wrong with a name like that !!!! do you also want to race your pup along with the older dogs to ??????????? think about it if you had to pick a dog to take out for the night which would you pick a 9 month old or a two year old ?because to me this is what a judge is looking for a dog that they would like to have at the of a lead on a nights hunting .

 

lesley d

that's an honest name, ya cant catch them all, that's y i wouldn't try to say i don't miss any, anyway a names a name on this argumentative forum u don't have to take it literally. why would i race a pup at a show sure it would break down on that "hard summer ground". fair enough yes you def would think with that thought in the judges mind the pup would not stand a chance against the older dogs in a final. not that it matters as pups are not in the final. but how come in the working classes and fox classes you continuously see the winners and they are just show dogs no signs of work, so ya wouldn't know what actually judges are looking for.

 

 

It is not the judge's fault if people enter their dogs in classes that they are not qualified for . BUT what degree of work and once again the judge should be judging on condition, conformation not what dog has the most 'signs of work'. If a dog has bolted a fox once - should it be qualified for a working class? Or twice or three times.....? The difference between these working classes and working gundog clases is the dog has actually had to prove it can work.

 

Albertj

[barryh11 14]

To albertj thanks for replying and im looking forward to the show and hope this mid summer rain stays away mate good luck and thanks again..

[AlbertJ 569]

To albertj thanks for replying and im looking forward to the show and hope this mid summer rain stays away mate good luck and thanks again..

 

Barry,

 

Thanks for your good wishes - hope the tap is turned off for the last week in June and the first week in July. Weather usually changes around 21st June!

[AlbertJ 569]

I have had a number of enquiries as to whether Welsh, English and Scottish competitors are eligible to come and compete for the ALL IRELAND TITLES and prizes and the answer is YES!

 

Apart from the Master Mc Grath which is pre -qualify and dogs from England, Scotland and Wales have qualified to meet dogs from allover Ireland in the final all other competitions are ENTRY on the DAY and OPEN TO ALLCOMERS. This is what makes the prestige of winning an ALL IRELAND TERRIER, WHIPPET , LURCHER or even PUPPY title so great and one of the most prestiogous in these islands. Your dog has defeated all who could or did enter in open competition under in this case SCOTTISH judges.

 

Albertj

[AlbertJ 569]

Thanks to all of the UK sportsmen and women who have pmed and emailed me about the quality of our prizes for terriers, lurchers and whippets. I hope to see many of them at Shanes.

[BOSCO 90 11]

heading down myself hope all goes well for you AJ

[AlbertJ 569]

heading down myself hope all goes well for you AJ

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heading down myself hope all goes well for you AJ

Thanks this really is the best fair we have ever organised with all facets of it genuinely bigger & better than before. Fingers crossed for decent weather as we have a big programme to get through.

[young man 225]

We hear there are some fast terriers coming from the Uk and South of ireland. You'll have to get in some serious training!

i have a hard compotition i need to get her more exersise

[AlbertJ 569]

you can overdo it!

[AlbertJ 569]

MTF ,

 

For better or for worse the decision has been taken on the All Ireland Championships that pups are not eligible to compete for the overall championships BUT as I have said we do have a Puppy Championship where the whippet, lurcher & terrier pup compete against each other under three judges to be judged All Ireland Puppy Champion 2012 and apart from the title the winner will have a tankard and £25.

 

Albertj

good enough prize for overall pup winner, thanks for taking the time for taking this into consideration. good luck

 

MTF,

 

Sorry I missed this post - someone pointed it out that you had thanked me for putting up the Pup prize. Have to admit I had missed this out in my list of prizes. We normally do have a best puppy.

 

Albert