WILF 51,162 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 To be honest if I have a young dog or a dog that needs a few easy kills to boost its confidence then you can stick your rule book up your arse....jmho 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,594 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 'lurcher1' timestamp='1337702140' post='2629644'] 'The one' timestamp='1337701500' post='2629629'] Last time i had a litter of ferret kits i went twenty miles up the road every week to the same farm during the summer and shot forty rabbits a week to feed the kits and still had a good seasons ferreting imagine leaving that lot all summer .i might slow down a bit but how can you honestly stop forty a week :blink: must of been a big litter!!!! The kits were eating two rabbits a day then i still had all the rest to feed i cant remember but there was double numbers in that litter and i was glad to see them go and i didn't breed for a few years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,217 Posted May 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 f**k it, i've decided to sell the dogs and ferrets and get myself a rifle and some night vision, if you cant beat em, join em. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,594 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 When i was a ranger in the forestry commission four of us shot deer all year round as well ,were we where it was a shoot on sight policy six day a week then if that wasn't enough they brought the red deer commission in to lamp them at night due to the damage .there is a need for summer control and no just on rabbits Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,594 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 'rob190364' timestamp='1337704858' post='2629676'] 'lurcher1' timestamp='1337702140' post='2629644'] 'The one' timestamp='1337701500' post='2629629'] Last time i had a litter of ferret kits i went twenty miles up the road every week to the same farm during the summer and shot forty rabbits a week to feed the kits and still had a good seasons ferreting imagine leaving that lot all summer .i might slow down a bit but how can you honestly stop forty a week :blink: must of been a big litter!!!! one adult rabbit lasts my two full grown ferrets about 3 days!!! Sounds about right so my twelve and twelve kits eat ?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Crops stop most action in our mainly arable based permissions even then I have a fair wack of pasture land but then that has grazing so never really see the point in hunting outside the standard winter months view. But some see hunting as a rose tinted life of catching few bunnies ever weekend for pot and giving the dogs a nice hunt and enjoy that wonderful joy of seeing that carefully trained dog working in tamdem with owner ferrets etc. But others who have good numbers of pests which demand a more workman like approach or numbers would get to point of damage that is not sustainable to crop . Lets not forget we have moved on from days of needing to hunt all year but our great grandfathers had to hunt to provide food for there familys and despite there hunting 365 days a year we still have a good number of pests in the UK . Do I think that the actions of some is selfish when it comes to hunting YES but some members want others to abide by the country rules of no summer hunting. But are quite willing to go for a wee mooch over the fence on somebody else land so dont get over proctective of your morales to your own views and actions on certain things when and if your not so squeeky clean . ATB Cookie You are a funny bloke, you've been quiet for a while, and i see today you have jumped on me in two threads, and tried to have a dig in the status box, i'm flattered Firstly you presume im talking about rabbits and moaning about folk who need to do pest control all year. Now i never mentioned the quarry im speaking of, and i clearly stated that when you have to do it, you have to do it. The thing that actually made me post this, was a discussion about folk roadsiding for charlie (dogs and guns) in summer, on your permission, do you just hope that there is something left when winter comes, or do you get in there first and kill them even earlier? In fact, i wasn't even speaking of anything personal to me, but asking in general, who does what and how they feel about it all? Something that is always noticable is how many say they have to do it etc or will lose permo, upset farmers etc, yet they are poaching, so thats nt really the truth. We all know you think all poachers are scum, and would probably report them to the police, that is your own view and you are entitled to it. But give over trying to have a dig everytime you see a post of mine, it's getting boring and a bit weird. Anyway, i hope summer is treating you well Stewie - i know mate, i run the dogs every day and they kill stuff during summer, but thats a bit different than going out to fill the sack. I am not the only member who is questioning your thoughts on numerous subjects and sometimes hypocritcal views . This all started with your plain rude comments made about myself last year with no real reason so I like to read the hypocritial comments and highlight them to you for a bit of fun . ATB Cookie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moll. 1,793 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I do but i don't really. As Paulus said, walking the dogs here means now and then you get accidental runs and catches, it cannot be helped. I do try to stay away from places i think there may be something and make loads of noise. But then again i do try to do that all year round cos the things which get up here always mean my dogs end up somewhere i really dont want them to be and usually injured. But there is no way can i keep the dogs leashed all summer. The people i do pest control for at the castle have loads of trouble with rabbits in their private garden, so several times a week i run the dogs through...more to show willing than to catch cos they are near on impossible to get in there. And any i do accidentally get throughout the summer in the grounds i make sure they see them. I've noticed 'normal' people do not understand the reasons you cannot lamp dogs in the summer, and think you should be able to do it all year round. But if you are doing pest control properly during the winter they will see the results anyway, so there should be no real need for summer hunting....it's just an excuse for some people or they cannot catch them as has already been said when at their fittest 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenny14 656 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) It's very easy for a purely 'for sport' hunter to give holier than thou opinions and to condemn others. But my simple answer to the question is YES, and my reasons are: Most Rabbit damage to crops is done and seen by farmers in Spring and early Summer, numbers are also increasing through these months, so if I'm asked to control their numbers at this time, I do so. Most Fox damage can be done at this time of year, so I control them at this time of year. To leave a litter plus Dog and Vixen around release pens or drives till Autumn would be out of the question. The Roe Buck season is from April 1st till October 31st, so this is when I cull them. Pigeons and Crows cause damage to Rape, Wheat and Barley as it's ripening, which is through the Summer, so I also shoot them at this time. Corvids do most damage to Eggs and Chicks at this time, so this is when I hit them hardest. I tunnel trap Rats 365 days of the year, I will also kill a Rat by any legal means available to me at any time of year. Also, for anyone to think Summer hunters are all 'fair weather hunters', and they do it 'cos it's easier has obviously never sat waiting for a problem Vixen or Dog Fox, trying to keep still and concealed when you've been nettled and scratched as you crept into position, and you're sweating and being eaten alive by midges, and you may be sat there all night and they still don't show, so you've got to do it all again the next night. Now if I were hunting purely for sport, I'd almost certainly do things differently, for example I won't intentionally run a Dog at Rabbits until later in the year unless I can select a nice half grown one for the pot, in the cool of dawn or dusk and the ground underfoot is suitable. In years past when I Ferreted regularly, I rarely started before October, and finished around late February, but this was partly due to not wanting a Ferret killing young underground and having to wait or dig. Edited May 23, 2012 by kenny14 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Crops stop most action in our mainly arable based permissions even then I have a fair wack of pasture land but then that has grazing so never really see the point in hunting outside the standard winter months view. But some see hunting as a rose tinted life of catching few bunnies ever weekend for pot and giving the dogs a nice hunt and enjoy that wonderful joy of seeing that carefully trained dog working in tamdem with owner ferrets etc. But others who have good numbers of pests which demand a more workman like approach or numbers would get to point of damage that is not sustainable to crop . Lets not forget we have moved on from days of needing to hunt all year but our great grandfathers had to hunt to provide food for there familys and despite there hunting 365 days a year we still have a good number of pests in the UK . Do I think that the actions of some is selfish when it comes to hunting YES but some members want others to abide by the country rules of no summer hunting. But are quite willing to go for a wee mooch over the fence on somebody else land so dont get over proctective of your morales to your own views and actions on certain things when and if your not so squeeky clean . ATB Cookie You are a funny bloke, you've been quiet for a while, and i see today you have jumped on me in two threads, and tried to have a dig in the status box, i'm flattered Firstly you presume im talking about rabbits and moaning about folk who need to do pest control all year. Now i never mentioned the quarry im speaking of, and i clearly stated that when you have to do it, you have to do it. The thing that actually made me post this, was a discussion about folk roadsiding for charlie (dogs and guns) in summer, on your permission, do you just hope that there is something left when winter comes, or do you get in there first and kill them even earlier? In fact, i wasn't even speaking of anything personal to me, but asking in general, who does what and how they feel about it all? Something that is always noticable is how many say they have to do it etc or will lose permo, upset farmers etc, yet they are poaching, so thats nt really the truth. We all know you think all poachers are scum, and would probably report them to the police, that is your own view and you are entitled to it. But give over trying to have a dig everytime you see a post of mine, it's getting boring and a bit weird. Anyway, i hope summer is treating you well Stewie - i know mate, i run the dogs every day and they kill stuff during summer, but thats a bit different than going out to fill the sack. I am not the only member who is questioning your thoughts on numerous subjects and sometimes hypocritcal views . This all started with your plain rude comments made about myself last year with no real reason so I like to read the hypocritial comments and highlight them to you for a bit of fun . ATB Cookie last year??? what comments could possibly have been that bad that you're still harbouring a grudge and stalking him 6 months later??? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,594 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) rob190364' timestamp='1337760433' post='2630443'] 'cookiemonsterandmerlin' timestamp='1337755156' post='2630378'] Ideation' timestamp='1337714069' post='2629856'] 'cookiemonsterandmerlin' timestamp='1337669795' post='2629089'] Crops stop most action in our mainly arable based permissions even then I have a fair wack of pasture land but then that has grazing so never really see the point in hunting outside the standard winter months view. But some see hunting as a rose tinted life of catching few bunnies ever weekend for pot and giving the dogs a nice hunt and enjoy that wonderful joy of seeing that carefully trained dog working in tamdem with owner ferrets etc. But others who have good numbers of pests which demand a more workman like approach or numbers would get to point of damage that is not sustainable to crop . Lets not forget we have moved on from days of needing to hunt all year but our great grandfathers had to hunt to provide food for there familys and despite there hunting 365 days a year we still have a good number of pests in the UK . Do I think that the actions of some is selfish when it comes to hunting YES but some members want others to abide by the country rules of no summer hunting. But are quite willing to go for a wee mooch over the fence on somebody else land so dont get over proctective of your morales to your own views and actions on certain things when and if your not so squeeky clean . ATB Cookie You are a funny bloke, you've been quiet for a while, and i see today you have jumped on me in two threads, and tried to have a dig in the status box, i'm flattered Firstly you presume im talking about rabbits and moaning about folk who need to do pest control all year. Now i never mentioned the quarry im speaking of, and i clearly stated that when you have to do it, you have to do it. The thing that actually made me post this, was a discussion about folk roadsiding for charlie (dogs and guns) in summer, on your permission, do you just hope that there is something left when winter comes, or do you get in there first and kill them even earlier? In fact, i wasn't even speaking of anything personal to me, but asking in general, who does what and how they feel about it all? Something that is always noticable is how many say they have to do it etc or will lose permo, upset farmers etc, yet they are poaching, so thats nt really the truth. We all know you think all poachers are scum, and would probably report them to the police, that is your own view and you are entitled to it. But give over trying to have a dig everytime you see a post of mine, it's getting boring and a bit weird. Anyway, i hope summer is treating you well Stewie - i know mate, i run the dogs every day and they kill stuff during summer, but thats a bit different than going out to fill the sack. I am not the only member who is questioning your thoughts on numerous subjects and sometimes hypocritcal views . This all started with your plain rude comments made about myself last year with no real reason so I like to read the hypocritial comments and highlight them to you for a bit of fun . ATB Cookie last year??? what comments could possibly have been that bad that you're still harbouring a grudge and stalking him 6 months later??? Because its THE HUNTING LIFE if this was a telly show it would rival eastender ,corrie brookside etc for DRAMA :laugh: and im no saying hes bearing a grudge or stalking him Edited May 23, 2012 by The one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,162 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I do but i don't really. Typical flipping woman, can never give a streight yes or no reply :laugh: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrCh 856 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 my lurcher took a bunny this morning, didnt mean for it to happen the other dog walkers with their pot lickers enjoyed watching it thought I was in for a bollocking. Tried to call her off the chase but it was in vain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Me stalking its summertime I dont hunt out of season thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Me stalking its summertime I dont hunt out of season thanks something stupid then? thought so! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 No Rob he suffered with crucifying ever comment I made on numerous ferretting etc with no real reason and claimed I was arrogant and belittled other members etc. So I do have a little chuckle when he spouts hypocritcal rubbish himself and pull him up on it. When I feel the need maybe childish in some views but I do hate preachers who dont follow there own rules . So I spend a little time roman the threads there are current and spotting there hypocritcal posts . ATB Cookie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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