Leeview 792 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 speedy this topic isnt solely about my show,as i said before i cant prove the breeding of anyones dog but my own so i will grade the dogs as best i can which is height,showing wise if youve a whippet you will have no bother in the ring as the judge i have planned knows his stuff,ive my own whippet here standing 18tts and shes one of the smallest about and id have no problem running in under 21,when i said about three it meant about three people would bring papers with them.if on the day you see a dog on the start line that you think isnt a whippet then call me and i will deal with it there and then as i think thats a big part of the problem that its not sorted on the day, i cant do much more than that. I know that this topic isnt just about your show but your show is one of the first shows this year and im worried that everyone else is going to follow in your footsteps and leave the whippet racing out of there shows to . speedy you worry to much,other shows will do their own thing not follow me,the thing with being first is i get to try it first,if it works thats great but if it doesnt then i get slated and the other shows do it different.i dont mind taking a bit of stick but as an organizer and a whippet owner im sick of all the rubbish about racing whippets at a show.theres a few on here that do nothing but cry about this race or that dog or that lad but they never offer any solutions to it all,the only way i can see at the minute is bring your papers to race in the whippets if you dont have papers then if you want to enter in the class for the height for your dog or dogs then your welcome to do so,thats the only way i see it at the moment until theres a better way found yis tango OK a lot of the trouble stems from game fairs offering big money prizes for lurcher racing and non working racing dogs cleaning up,so how about putting prize money up for the racing dogs that lurchers cant enter? and as has been suggested a bag of meal to the lurcher winners to bring back the fun into showing. Oh and lurchers that have won races in the past wont be allowed to run for the prize money Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Here's a no brainer, over the course of the year:- Under 21" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Under 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Over 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood or possibly an umarked greyhound In other words anyone who wants to compete at the lurcher racing needs to keep an eye on the K9 non ped section to see whats being bred daz can i ask what your goin to race this year mate A non ped whippetxgreyhound. Hopefully she'll stay under 21". At 8 months she is 20 3/4". She was bought to be a wee rabbiting dog and to race at the odd show. Some people will argue that it's a longdog and not a lurcher depending on who's definition you choose as to what a lurcher is. In my opinion anyone who seriously wants to compete at the lurcher racing needs non ped whippet/greyhound blood. Could this perhaps be interpreted as the 'lurcher racing' at gamefairs is being taken too seriously? Surely 'lurcher racing' should be a bit of fun...........or maybe not? Lurcher racing at gamefairs being taken too seriously? You think so. No way!!!!!!!! who would ever dream of such a thing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 speedy this topic isnt solely about my show,as i said before i cant prove the breeding of anyones dog but my own so i will grade the dogs as best i can which is height,showing wise if youve a whippet you will have no bother in the ring as the judge i have planned knows his stuff,ive my own whippet here standing 18tts and shes one of the smallest about and id have no problem running in under 21,when i said about three it meant about three people would bring papers with them.if on the day you see a dog on the start line that you think isnt a whippet then call me and i will deal with it there and then as i think thats a big part of the problem that its not sorted on the day, i cant do much more than that. I know that this topic isnt just about your show but your show is one of the first shows this year and im worried that everyone else is going to follow in your footsteps and leave the whippet racing out of there shows to . speedy you worry to much,other shows will do their own thing not follow me,the thing with being first is i get to try it first,if it works thats great but if it doesnt then i get slated and the other shows do it different.i dont mind taking a bit of stick but as an organizer and a whippet owner im sick of all the rubbish about racing whippets at a show.theres a few on here that do nothing but cry about this race or that dog or that lad but they never offer any solutions to it all,the only way i can see at the minute is bring your papers to race in the whippets if you dont have papers then if you want to enter in the class for the height for your dog or dogs then your welcome to do so,thats the only way i see it at the moment until theres a better way found yis tango OK a lot of the trouble stems from game fairs offering big money prizes for lurcher racing and non working racing dogs cleaning up,so how about putting prize money up for the racing dogs that lurchers cant enter? and as has been suggested a bag of meal to the lurcher winners to bring back the fun into showing. Oh and lurchers that have won races in the past wont be allowed to run for the prize money Y.I.S Leeview another good thing would be make anyone who has a kc reg whippet run against lurchers the same size and if the kc reg whippet owners are not happy let them stick to there whippet club only days. they cant complain about that surely or they will 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themaverick 110 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 speedy this topic isnt solely about my show,as i said before i cant prove the breeding of anyones dog but my own so i will grade the dogs as best i can which is height,showing wise if youve a whippet you will have no bother in the ring as the judge i have planned knows his stuff,ive my own whippet here standing 18tts and shes one of the smallest about and id have no problem running in under 21,when i said about three it meant about three people would bring papers with them.if on the day you see a dog on the start line that you think isnt a whippet then call me and i will deal with it there and then as i think thats a big part of the problem that its not sorted on the day, i cant do much more than that. I know that this topic isnt just about your show but your show is one of the first shows this year and im worried that everyone else is going to follow in your footsteps and leave the whippet racing out of there shows to . speedy you worry to much,other shows will do their own thing not follow me,the thing with being first is i get to try it first,if it works thats great but if it doesnt then i get slated and the other shows do it different.i dont mind taking a bit of stick but as an organizer and a whippet owner im sick of all the rubbish about racing whippets at a show.theres a few on here that do nothing but cry about this race or that dog or that lad but they never offer any solutions to it all,the only way i can see at the minute is bring your papers to race in the whippets if you dont have papers then if you want to enter in the class for the height for your dog or dogs then your welcome to do so,thats the only way i see it at the moment until theres a better way found yis tango OK a lot of the trouble stems from game fairs offering big money prizes for lurcher racing and non working racing dogs cleaning up,so how about putting prize money up for the racing dogs that lurchers cant enter? and as has been suggested a bag of meal to the lurcher winners to bring back the fun into showing. Oh and lurchers that have won races in the past wont be allowed to run for the prize money Y.I.S Leeview another good thing would be make anyone who has a kc reg whippet run against lurchers the same size and if the kc reg whippet owners are not happy let them stick to there whippet club only days. they cant complain about that surely or they will for once i think i must agree with you danny300..papers mean nothing, in history a whippet was bred for a racing dog, a poor mans greyhound, so should it not be able to beat any cross breed of the same size?? does it not tell us what has the kennel club has more less destroyed some pedigree lines of whippets?? and dont try and tell me at some stage the english pedigree racing whippet club members have not secretly added a llittle greyhound to improve there stock...of course they have...like the kennel club standard says they most be fit for purpose.. purpose is racing....right or wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pothunter 33 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) the problem started when non hunting folk started 2 get involved, like keeping dogs just 4 racing.working dog shows were 4 people who hunt dogs 2 meet and have a bit of fun and a chat,see what dogs are coming on etc.lurchers are meant 2 have more stay and brains than pure sight hounds.would simulated with jumps over a long distance not proove the better dog.the master mcgrath at shanes was about 150yards the terriers raced the same distance that day,then the all ireland lurcher was run alot longer minutes later?? why was this???.even greyhounds have a few bends.lurchers are sight hounds crossed with non sight hounds.sight hounds crossed with other sight hounds are not lurchers they are long dogs Edited February 10, 2012 by pothunter 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pigsy 34 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Enough of what is a whippet what is not a whippet an under 21inch class all in This debate has been going on.since whippet racing was introduced Racing them as under 21 might promote the strong working type rather than the wee KC show type that stand and shiver.And give the guys with the wee small rabbit dogs such as whipprt crosses chance to run their dogs Not all can afford to pay £300 plus for a ped whippet 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Here we go again, knock the whippet people! There are only two sets of people who have created this problem, the show organisers who see £ signs and have put on whippet show classes and racing knowing they'll be well supported, but who refuse to police it, and the lurcher people intent on cheating! After all, would you get away with showing a rough under 23 in a smooth over 23 show class?? I don't think so, there'd be uproar, especially if the rough under won! There are actually very few whippet people on here complaining, and personally I agree with Danny300, I can race my whippets at the Sporting Whippet Club race days if I want instead of the terrier and lurcher shows. My point is, if there is a whippet race on the programme, then it has to be for whippets only. Janet 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,704 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Here we go again, knock the whippet people! There are only two sets of people who have created this problem, the show organisers who see £ signs and have put on whippet show classes and racing knowing they'll be well supported, but who refuse to police it, and the lurcher people intent on cheating! After all, would you get away with showing a rough under 23 in a smooth over 23 show class?? I don't think so, there'd be uproar, especially if the rough under won! There are actually very few whippet people on here complaining, and personally I agree with Danny300, I can race my whippets at the Sporting Whippet Club race days if I want instead of the terrier and lurcher shows. My point is, if there is a whippet race on the programme, then it has to be for whippets only. Janet I don't think it's the "LURCHER" people who are cheating !! Far from it.. I think most LURCHER people are avoiding the so called "Lurcher racing" because it's been taking over by people who only have winning in mind, and are using race bred Non-Ped Whippets and unregistered Greyhounds !! The working Lurcher, that does a winters graft, and then has a run at a show in the summer, now has NO chance against these dogs; so please don't accuse the LURCHER owners of cheating !! Cheers. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 You're missing the point here Chartpolski. I fully understand where you are coming from regarding race bred "lurchers", my point is that some of these are being raced against whippets in the "whippet" racing!that's the topic of this thread, how do we sort it outm All the best, Janet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,704 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 You're missing the point here Chartpolski. I fully understand where you are coming from regarding race bred "lurchers", my point is that some of these are being raced against whippets in the "whippet" racing!that's the topic of this thread, how do we sort it outm All the best, Janet Very simple, in my opinion ! If it is for Whippets only, then show your papers ! No papers ? then go in the lurcher class. I was going to shows 45 year ago, when we sat in a pub and decided to have a show, then the racing came along, and ANY running dog, no matter what size, breed or coat, ran against each other..FOR A BIT OF FUN !! Now, it isn't "Lurcher" racing, It seems to me, to be racing for people who are running race bred dogs, but are afraid to race against their peers, out of traps, at a real track ! These dogs will beat my working dogs every time over stupid distances like 150 yards...but how many of them have put a days or nights graft in ? "LURCHER RACING" ? Give me a break !! Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 792 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Here we go again, knock the whippet people! There are only two sets of people who have created this problem, the show organisers who see £ signs and have put on whippet show classes and racing knowing they'll be well supported, but who refuse to police it, and the lurcher people intent on cheating! After all, would you get away with showing a rough under 23 in a smooth over 23 show class?? I don't think so, there'd be uproar, especially if the rough under won! There are actually very few whippet people on here complaining, and personally I agree with Danny300, I can race my whippets at the Sporting Whippet Club race days if I want instead of the terrier and lurcher shows. My point is, if there is a whippet race on the programme, then it has to be for whippets only. Janet My point is,if there is a whippet race on the programme,then it has to be for whippets only HOORAH and if it says lurcher racing then it has to be for lurchers only NOT race bred dogs Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whip x grey 276 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) You're missing the point here Chartpolski. I fully understand where you are coming from regarding race bred "lurchers", my point is that some of these are being raced against whippets in the "whippet" racing!that's the topic of this thread, how do we sort it outm All the best, Janet Very simple, in my opinion ! If it is for Whippets only, then show your papers ! No papers ? then go in the lurcher class. I was going to shows 45 year ago, when we sat in a pub and decided to have a show, then the racing came along, and ANY running dog, no matter what size, breed or coat, ran against each other..FOR A BIT OF FUN !! Now, it isn't "Lurcher" racing, It seems to me, to be racing for people who are running race bred dogs, but are afraid to race against their peers, out of traps, at a real track ! These dogs will beat my working dogs every time over stupid distances like 150 yards...but how many of them have put a days or nights graft in ? "LURCHER RACING" ? Give me a break !! Cheers. i had to race lurcher,s in 1988,,,a whole 162 lurchers minuis my 11month old 30lb whippet,,,,,did i moan no ofcourse not ,,,did i win after 9 races yes,,,did i think i would win hell no,,,,lurcher event,u have to play by there rules,,,if they say its off whippet type and in whippet section then it is on the day,,,,,,ped whippets that happen to have papers,,and others dont cant,,, have it there own way all the time,,,,what you can do those who moan the most ,,,put yerselfs forward on the day to the committee thats taking entrys on the day ,,,to select the whippets out and put into there groups,,,,all in fairness,,,,iam sure the committee running the event will lev ya to it and get on with the harder work setting up Edited February 10, 2012 by whip x grey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whip x grey 276 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 yes ive have noticed its getting popular over in ireland again ,,,,best thing i think could happen here is somone who has lots years and experance over there to join commitee ,on the day to take whippet entrys on the day,,,,but have an open mind as some wont have papers ,they will be off line breed working stock ,some off them,,,,and there could be a height issue ,,,as notice some off the working strain over here can be alittle taller,,,maybe to accomade lift the height an inch 9 times out off 10 ,,,i can pick out the ped to a non ped,,,as will any person whos kick about whippets for a while 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Here we go again, knock the whippet people! There are only two sets of people who have created this problem, the show organisers who see £ signs and have put on whippet show classes and racing knowing they'll be well supported, but who refuse to police it, and the lurcher people intent on cheating! After all, would you get away with showing a rough under 23 in a smooth over 23 show class?? I don't think so, there'd be uproar, especially if the rough under won! There are actually very few whippet people on here complaining, and personally I agree with Danny300, I can race my whippets at the Sporting Whippet Club race days if I want instead of the terrier and lurcher shows. My point is, if there is a whippet race on the programme, then it has to be for whippets only. Janet I don't think it's the "LURCHER" people who are cheating !! Far from it.. I think most LURCHER people are avoiding the so called "Lurcher racing" because it's been taking over by people who only have winning in mind, and are using race bred Non-Ped Whippets and unregistered Greyhounds !! The working Lurcher, that does a winters graft, and then has a run at a show in the summer, now has NO chance against these dogs; so please don't accuse the LURCHER owners of cheating !! Cheers. Race bred Non-Ped Whippets make excellent working dogs also. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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