gnasher16 31,602 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) [ Edited January 31, 2012 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Im not knocking it because i couldnt stick to it im knocking it because its wrong.....simple. Theres an old saying " its better to give no advice than to give bad advice " and there is no other sport/hobby this applies more to than weight training.......ive seen people waste literally years following bad advice.......having just listened to the fella he has a good basic understanding of nutrition.....but to suggest to any beginner to start with a 4 day split is simply ludicrous !......4 day splits are done by advanced lifters to target specific muscle groups.....also to suggest training chest/triceps on the same day,again is a basic mistake.......the bench press being the basis to any chest workout,as a single movement involves 70 % triceps to 30 % chest....in other words you are mostly using your tricpes to press the weight out and your triceps will fatigue before your chest........so to suggest training both on the same workout you will never be able to give 100% intensity to both muscle groups.Theres literally 101 things you could be critical of about that program........but my view is anything that gets people into the gym is great with me so i wouldnt be too critical........but these " get big quick " routines have been going for decades they are nothing new......any beginner will see relatively good gains over their first few months even if they eat shit,thats just the simple process of progressive resistance weight lifting,these routines/programs make the most of that fact by trying to kid you that it was the supplements you took or the advice you got was the reason for it,the trainer sees results and continues to buy into it.........a few months later silly little things like muscle memory kicks in and their gains slow down and eventually stop !.........its then they start to realise that a supplement is just that....a supplement....not a replacement for a good healthy clean diet and correct training principals. Like i say,im not pulling the fellas ideas or theories apart....i just dont like to see folk bullshitted into losing time and money when all that was needed was good solid no strings advice. Edited February 1, 2012 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reddawn 2,173 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 i wouldnt wanna look like that, ill stick to being skinny an fit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old timer123 367 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 they dont say how much it costs an they always advertise we pics of huge cow juice monkeys lads that have been on juice for years lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,128 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I thought the 12 week programme was for alchies? :blink: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I thought the 12 week programme was for alchies? :blink: Think thats the 12 step program Wilf.....................not that i know anything about it like 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reddawn 2,173 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 gnasher you seem to know ye shit about this weight training malarky i have never lifted a weight in me life unless ye count a bag a bunnys or an old lamp battery i do loads a cardio with an without the dogs, would these suplements help put weight on even if you still do a lot of cardio an no weights my wife always telling me i could be doing with a bit of weight, but my mate who was me pti in army says i have just found me natural weight so will supllements work?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 gnasher you seem to know ye shit about this weight training malarky i have never lifted a weight in me life unless ye count a bag a bunnys or an old lamp battery i do loads a cardio with an without the dogs, would these suplements help put weight on even if you still do a lot of cardio an no weights my wife always telling me i could be doing with a bit of weight, but my mate who was me pti in army says i have just found me natural weight so will supllements work?? Depends if you want to gain good weight or any old shit weight......if you want to gain any old weight consume more calories than you use and bobs your uncle.......if its muscle you want to gain its a little more complicated im afraid ........basically supplements will do nothing apart from give you expensive piss if you dont eat correctly.......eat a good diet and use extras to " supplement " that diet yes........use " supplements " instead of eating correctly......no .........thats the bare basics to it mate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reddawn 2,173 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 gnasher you seem to know ye shit about this weight training malarky i have never lifted a weight in me life unless ye count a bag a bunnys or an old lamp battery i do loads a cardio with an without the dogs, would these suplements help put weight on even if you still do a lot of cardio an no weights my wife always telling me i could be doing with a bit of weight, but my mate who was me pti in army says i have just found me natural weight so will supllements work?? Depends if you want to gain good weight or any old shit weight......if you want to gain any old weight consume more calories than you use and bobs your uncle.......if its muscle you want to gain its a little more complicated im afraid ........basically supplements will do nothing apart from give you expensive piss if you dont eat correctly.......eat a good diet and use extras to " supplement " that diet yes........use " supplements " instead of eating correctly......no .........thats the bare basics to it mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old timer123 367 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 an train like a mother f****r lol.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 In my teens and early 20's i spent a lot of time in the gym but when i reached my 30's i accepted the fact a belly and moobs dont ruin your life Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,128 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 In my teens and early 20's i spent a lot of time in the gym He was the "Before" manaquin in the "Before & After" display!!!! Lol lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 i wouldnt wanna look like that, ill stick to being skinny an fit Same as mate after seeing wat intensive body building and training did to an old mate who was as fit as fook before he started going in competitions but then again hes made a living out of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 In my teens and early 20's i spent a lot of time in the gym He was the "Before" manaquin in the "Before & After" display!!!! Lol lol :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Same as mate after seeing wat intensive body building and training did to an old mate who was as fit as fook before he started going in competitions but then again hes made a living out of it. As the old saying says......." Bodybuilding is not about how strong you are.....its about how strong it looks like you are " Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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