anythingoes 28 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) From: Crown Office Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service News Release 12 August 2011 New specialist prosecutors appointed for wildlife and environmental crime Two prosecutors have today been appointed as full-time specialists for wildlife and environmental crime, the Lord Advocate Frank Mulholland QC has announced. Kate Fleming and Shona McJannett will investigate, mark and prosecute all cases involving crimes against wildlife and the environment in Scotland. Their remit will also include cases of animal cruelty. Miss Fleming will be based at the Glasgow Procurator Fiscals office and Miss McJannett at the Edinburgh Procurator Fiscals office. They will be managed by Tom Dysart, Area Procurator Fiscal for Ayrshire and Dumfries & Galloway, who currently leads COPFS in this area of law. They will be supported by Alex Prentice QC, Principal Crown Counsel. He was appointed Crown Counsel for wildlife and environmental cases in February 2010 and will present the Crown case in any criminal appeals. The appointment of these full-time specialists builds on work already undertaken by the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service to tackle wildlife crime more effectively. The specialists will work together to share knowledge and experience of cases. The Lord Advocate said: "COPFS is committed to tackling crimes against Scotland's precious wildlife and environment. Our new specialist prosecutors will continue to develop the skills and knowledge built up by COPFS to deal with these cases. "They will also further enhance the working relationships we have built up with investigating agencies, including the police and wildlife organisations. "We know that serious and organised crime groups are becoming involved in environmental crime. Our specialist prosecutors will work closely with COPFS civil recovery and criminal confiscation specialists to ensure that any proceeds of crime will be recovered." Tom Dysart said: "I am delighted to announce the appointment of Kate Fleming and Shona McJannett as the COPFS dedicated wildlife and environmental crime prosecutors. They are both experienced and capable prosecutors. The COPFS network of specialist prosecutors demonstrated the value of specialisation in this complex and important area of our work. Kate and Shona replace the existing specialist network and as full-time, dedicated specialists, they will build on the successes of their colleagues. "Crimes against wildlife and the environment are serious offences, affecting the environment in which we live, and the legacy we leave to future generations. Environmental crime has the potential to affect public health. "COPFS is committed to providing a powerful and effective deterrent to those who commit crimes against wildlife and the environment. We are determined to ensure that we play our part in ensuring that Scotland's rich and diverse natural heritage is protected." Edited January 30, 2012 by anythingoes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevin from bristol 95 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 and ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anythingoes 28 Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 and ? LETS JUST SAY THINGS ARENT WHAT THEY WERE AND THATS THE TRUTH !!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I think the bit about the lad with the deer sounds dubious, and I don't agree with the law as regards to hunting fox with dogs (obviously). But to me the rest of it is sound. What am I missing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anythingoes 28 Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 these people( this new specific wild life prosecution team) specificaly liased with the SSPCA and actualy breached peoples human rights, the sad thing is that they never ACTUALLY KNEW IT, THATS WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM IS,,,,PEOPLE DONT KNOW THERE OWN RIGHTS !!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 these people( this new specific wild life prosecution team) specificaly liased with the SSPCA and actualy breached peoples human rights, the sad thing is that they never ACTUALLY KNEW IT, THATS WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM IS,,,,PEOPLE DONT KNOW THERE OWN RIGHTS !!! . And that's what the system relies on - ignorance of the law and willingness to do as you're told without asking questions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anythingoes 28 Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 for every lose , there is allways a victory sad thing is we dont have millions of pounds to spend on propoganda . or it wouldnt get the publicity it deseves Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 21,077 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 for every lose , there is allways a victory sad thing is we dont have millions of pounds to spend on propoganda . or it wouldnt get the publicity it deseves If you did have millions of pounds to spend on properganda what would you do with it? maybe add some pointless pics of foxes dripping in blood to public access internet forums? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toby1066 413 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 If you did have millions of pounds to spend on properganda what would you do with it? maybe add some pointless pics of foxes dripping in blood to public access internet forums? :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
events co-ordinator 353 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 The main problem in Scotland is that "evidence" placed in front of these fiscals is not being properly challenged by lawyers especially legal aid lawyers. They look at the "evidence" presented by the prosecution and down to lack of specialist knowledge tell the accused to plead guilty. Whereas once a wildlife consultant looks at the "evidence" from the defence side a lot of the "evidence" is thrown out. Remember that recent case in Lanark the charges have not been proved in court the accused pled guilty so the charges were not tested in court. The same charges in the case in Duns were defeated in court we have very good wildlife lawyers but remember as soon as you are caught /challenged /questioned on an alleged wildlife crime the full legal process starts trying to Jail you so to give yourself a chance you better start right away as well. Do'nt think it will go away IT WONT get advice right away from a specialist lawyer or consultant (pm me) if you need details. By the time you have been granted legal aid the other side have had maybe three months start. Do, not speak to them UNTIL you have spoken to a specialist lawyer do not answer any questions from the SSPCA /RSPCA. you still have the right to remain silent. When you tell them anything they will use it against you. Remember you think you are answering "simple"questions say two of you have been picked up on permisssion after foxes all legal. they say you were after badgers on farm A you say no We werent we were after foxes on farm B so know they know where you were they will go and check for signs of badger on farm B they said you, you said we. You have just stuck your mate in. They go in and say to him your mate said you were after badgers on farm B your mate says no we werent we didnt go near the badger sette his terrier ran up to it but we shouted it back. So they say to you we are going up to the badger sette to look for DNA from your dog You then remember your terrier ran up to the hole stuck its head in you shouted it it backed away from the hole and SHAKES leaving hairs DNA on the mound You stopped and had a fag there put the fag out your DNA on that. This is how it builds up remember NAME ADDRESS DOB to the police thats all till you have spoken to a SPECIALIST lawyer Do not take legal advice from the Police they are not on your side. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 The main problem in Scotland is that "evidence" placed in front of these fiscals is not being properly challenged by lawyers especially legal aid lawyers. They look at the "evidence" presented by the prosecution and down to lack of specialist knowledge tell the accused to plead guilty. Whereas once a wildlife consultant looks at the "evidence" from the defence side a lot of the "evidence" is thrown out. Remember that recent case in Lanark the charges have not been proved in court the accused pled guilty so the charges were not tested in court. The same charges in the case in Duns were defeated in court we have very good wildlife lawyers but remember as soon as you are caught /challenged /questioned on an alleged wildlife crime the full legal process starts trying to Jail you so to give yourself a chance you better start right away as well. Do'nt think it will go away IT WONT get advice right away from a specialist lawyer or consultant (pm me) if you need details. By the time you have been granted legal aid the other side have had maybe three months start. Do, not speak to them UNTIL you have spoken to a specialist lawyer do not answer any questions from the SSPCA /RSPCA. you still have the right to remain silent. When you tell them anything they will use it against you. Remember you think you are answering "simple"questions say two of you have been picked up on permisssion after foxes all legal. they say you were after badgers on farm A you say no We werent we were after foxes on farm B so know they know where you were they will go and check for signs of badger on farm B they said you, you said we. You have just stuck your mate in. They go in and say to him your mate said you were after badgers on farm B your mate says no we werent we didnt go near the badger sette his terrier ran up to it but we shouted it back. So they say to you we are going up to the badger sette to look for DNA from your dog You then remember your terrier ran up to the hole stuck its head in you shouted it it backed away from the hole and SHAKES leaving hairs DNA on the mound You stopped and had a fag there put the fag out your DNA on that. This is how it builds up remember NAME ADDRESS DOB to the police thats all till you have spoken to a SPECIALIST lawyer Do not take legal advice from the Police they are not on your side. Very good post. And I agree with the remain silent part wholeheartedly. No comment. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 The main problem in Scotland is that "evidence" placed in front of these fiscals is not being properly challenged by lawyers especially legal aid lawyers. They look at the "evidence" presented by the prosecution and down to lack of specialist knowledge tell the accused to plead guilty. Whereas once a wildlife consultant looks at the "evidence" from the defence side a lot of the "evidence" is thrown out. Remember that recent case in Lanark the charges have not been proved in court the accused pled guilty so the charges were not tested in court. The same charges in the case in Duns were defeated in court we have very good wildlife lawyers but remember as soon as you are caught /challenged /questioned on an alleged wildlife crime the full legal process starts trying to Jail you so to give yourself a chance you better start right away as well. Do'nt think it will go away IT WONT get advice right away from a specialist lawyer or consultant (pm me) if you need details. By the time you have been granted legal aid the other side have had maybe three months start. Do, not speak to them UNTIL you have spoken to a specialist lawyer do not answer any questions from the SSPCA /RSPCA. you still have the right to remain silent. When you tell them anything they will use it against you. Remember you think you are answering "simple"questions say two of you have been picked up on permisssion after foxes all legal. they say you were after badgers on farm A you say no We werent we were after foxes on farm B so know they know where you were they will go and check for signs of badger on farm B they said you, you said we. You have just stuck your mate in. They go in and say to him your mate said you were after badgers on farm B your mate says no we werent we didnt go near the badger sette his terrier ran up to it but we shouted it back. So they say to you we are going up to the badger sette to look for DNA from your dog You then remember your terrier ran up to the hole stuck its head in you shouted it it backed away from the hole and SHAKES leaving hairs DNA on the mound You stopped and had a fag there put the fag out your DNA on that. This is how it builds up remember NAME ADDRESS DOB to the police thats all till you have spoken to a SPECIALIST lawyer Do not take legal advice from the Police they are not on your side. Very good post. And I agree with the remain silent part wholeheartedly. No comment. FTB Agreed. They even tell you ''Anything you say may be used in evidence against you'', so the best policy is to zip it. Loose lips sink ships and all that... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anythingoes 28 Posted February 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) The main problem in Scotland is that "evidence" placed in front of these fiscals is not being properly challenged by lawyers especially legal aid lawyers. They look at the "evidence" presented by the prosecution and down to lack of specialist knowledge tell the accused to plead guilty. Whereas once a wildlife consultant looks at the "evidence" from the defence side a lot of the "evidence" is thrown out. Remember that recent case in Lanark the charges have not been proved in court the accused pled guilty so the charges were not tested in court. The same charges in the case in Duns were defeated in court we have very good wildlife lawyers but remember as soon as you are caught /challenged /questioned on an alleged wildlife crime the full legal process starts trying to Jail you so to give yourself a chance you better start right away as well. Do'nt think it will go away IT WONT get advice right away from a specialist lawyer or consultant (pm me) if you need details. By the time you have been granted legal aid the other side have had maybe three months start. Do, not speak to them UNTIL you have spoken to a specialist lawyer do not answer any questions from the SSPCA /RSPCA. you still have the right to remain silent. When you tell them anything they will use it against you. Remember you think you are answering "simple"questions say two of you have been picked up on permisssion after foxes all legal. they say you were after badgers on farm A you say no We werent we were after foxes on farm B so know they know where you were they will go and check for signs of badger on farm B they said you, you said we. You have just stuck your mate in. They go in and say to him your mate said you were after badgers on farm B your mate says no we werent we didnt go near the badger sette his terrier ran up to it but we shouted it back. So they say to you we are going up to the badger sette to look for DNA from your dog You then remember your terrier ran up to the hole stuck its head in you shouted it it backed away from the hole and SHAKES leaving hairs DNA on the mound You stopped and had a fag there put the fag out your DNA on that. This is how it builds up remember NAME ADDRESS DOB to the police thats all till you have spoken to a SPECIALIST lawyer Do not take legal advice from the Police they are not on your side. Very well put !!! I'm sad I never explained myself properly, and as for the case in Lanark . there is no mention of a man walking SCOT FREE!! due having and adequit defence lawyer atb anythigoes ps as stated its only the bad stuff we hear of!!!!! Edited February 2, 2012 by anythingoes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
events co-ordinator 353 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Yes the lawyer he had was the one we use in SACS the SGA also use him he's absolutelly top notch and of course it does'nt suit the story that the only one who fought the charges was found not guilty. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chancer 23 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 The main problem in Scotland is that "evidence" placed in front of these fiscals is not being properly challenged by lawyers especially legal aid lawyers. They look at the "evidence" presented by the prosecution and down to lack of specialist knowledge tell the accused to plead guilty. Whereas once a wildlife consultant looks at the "evidence" from the defence side a lot of the "evidence" is thrown out. Remember that recent case in Lanark the charges have not been proved in court the accused pled guilty so the charges were not tested in court. The same charges in the case in Duns were defeated in court we have very good wildlife lawyers but remember as soon as you are caught /challenged /questioned on an alleged wildlife crime the full legal process starts trying to Jail you so to give yourself a chance you better start right away as well. Do'nt think it will go away IT WONT get advice right away from a specialist lawyer or consultant (pm me) if you need details. By the time you have been granted legal aid the other side have had maybe three months start. Do, not speak to them UNTIL you have spoken to a specialist lawyer do not answer any questions from the SSPCA /RSPCA. you still have the right to remain silent. When you tell them anything they will use it against you. Remember you think you are answering "simple"questions say two of you have been picked up on permisssion after foxes all legal. they say you were after badgers on farm A you say no We werent we were after foxes on farm B so know they know where you were they will go and check for signs of badger on farm B they said you, you said we. You have just stuck your mate in. They go in and say to him your mate said you were after badgers on farm B your mate says no we werent we didnt go near the badger sette his terrier ran up to it but we shouted it back. So they say to you we are going up to the badger sette to look for DNA from your dog You then remember your terrier ran up to the hole stuck its head in you shouted it it backed away from the hole and SHAKES leaving hairs DNA on the mound You stopped and had a fag there put the fag out your DNA on that. This is how it builds up remember NAME ADDRESS DOB to the police thats all till you have spoken to a SPECIALIST lawyer Do not take legal advice from the Police they are not on your side. Very good post. And I agree with the remain silent part wholeheartedly. No comment. FTB Agreed. They even tell you ''Anything you say may be used in evidence against you'', so the best policy is to zip it. Loose lips sink ships and all that... JUST A SHAME THERE IS A FEW LOOSE LIPS SINKING SHIPS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA..!! PEOPLE YOU WOULD THINK WOULD BE THE LAST TO OPEN UP, DONT QUOTE ME ON THIS BUT A HEARD THE NAME WAS GIVEN OF WHO MADE THE TIP OFF I COULD BE WRONG, THIS IS THROUGH A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND, YIS CHANCER Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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