springer problem?

[HarveyTheHunter 6]

i own a weihrauch hw 97k and have done for a about just over a year now. i use a viper 10x44 scope on it and its been shooting really really well until now. i can zero it and have pellet on pellet at 35 yards and when i go back to check the zero it way off! but i can still hit pellet on pellet just in a completely diffrent place? i really take care with my guns and i never have backed the rifle or scope? any ideas why this happenes?

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Is the scope properly on the gun? have you got a recoil stopper in the mounts? it could be being shaken backwards!

[HarveyTheHunter 6]

its very well secured on the gun dosent move at alll but no i have these sports match ones no idea if the are sponger mounts i might have a look at them. cheers fot the advice!

[secretagentmole 1,701]

One should have a peg that screws down into the top of the action, these are recommended for any springer as the recoil can shake the scope backwards...

[HarveyTheHunter 6]

yhh i got tht it like going into a hole on the springer

[andyfr1968 772]

It could be the way you're holding the gun, from what you've said. When you check are you resting the gun the same way from session to session? Springers can be very sensative to a change in the way the gun's rested or held that will cause exactly the problem you've described.

 

Edit to add... It's not creep from what the bloke's described Mike, that's either a steady shift in zero or totally erratic groups, not accurate groupings that shift on the target.

Edited November 12, 2011 by andyfr1968

[bigmac 97kt 13,825]

hi bud iv got the hw97kt syn and i was having more or les the same problem i pm piano man and he put me right i had to adjust the trigger on mine it may not be the problem on yours bud but werth a try be fore you spend eny money to adjust the trigger turn the screw a quoter tern each time to the left untill the trigger suits you as you may be pulling the gun when you fire it hope this helps atb mac

Edited November 13, 2011 by bigmac 97kt

[HarveyTheHunter 6]

heyy i use to go to ukahft with the gun so my trigger is very light and i do every thing to reduce movement when shot. the stand is is the same place and the gun rests the same every time. hummm odd i might go to my local gunsmiths hes might know what the problem is. thanks for the help guys!

[davyt63 1,845]

hi HTH

nice springers the hw97k

i shoot a AATX200HC .177 and have just recently had it serviced.

 

may be its due a service?

when did it have its last ?

when did you clean the barrel last ?

have you changed your pellets recently ?

have you knocked the scope ?

are all mounts nice and finger tight ?

are you pulling rather than squeezing the trigger ?

have you spoke to Gary @ MTC ?

 

just one more question! what score are you getting at the HFT course ?

 

sorry all questions are relevant!

 

regards

 

Davy

[HarveyTheHunter 6]

may be its due a service? - no idea

when did it have its last ? - its never had one!

when did you clean the barrel last ? - about 2 weeks ago but it was doing it befor that

have you changed your pellets recently ? - yes about a week ago i started to use the daystae rangemasters

have you knocked the scope ? - never has it been knocked badly its had a few taps just like ive taped it agains a tree nothing majior

are all mounts nice and finger tight ? - yes all mounts are secure and tight

are you pulling rather than squeezing the trigger ? - i do a gentel pull i dont like squeez it sudenly just a smooth pull.

have you spoke to Gary @ MTC ? - no not yet i may contact him to see if its the scope. but not long ago they sent me a demo scope free of charge

 

i have no idea! ive only done it a few times when i was with darrel waite dont know if you will know him but hes really up their in the ukhft! but my score is on the web ill try find it

[andyfr1968 772]

From what you've said it seems that you're a more than capable shooter who knows other expreienced shooters who you've probably already asked.

 

You seem to have ticked pretty much all of the problem box's so I'd bet it's down to your scope. Let us know how you get on

[mikeyblue 28]

Hi Harvey,

 

When you zero it are you in the same position each time. Reason I ask is when I zero prone (TX200) and take a shot kneeling or standing, the point of impact is slightly different in each position.

 

I zero prone with my hand touching a wooden peg, as this is the most common position in UKAHFT. From what you have explained, it sounds like there has been a slight change in hold from the last time you shot, easy done if you havent shot springer for a while. I zero my rifle as explained and leave the settings, I know its spot on, if I miss it is usually down to inconsistant hold.

 

Holding the rifle cosistantly is relatively easy, but on HFT courses the course setters like to make it hard for us springer shooters. Sometimes you are lying on tree roots, in dips etc. so a consistant hold is difficult to achieve. All this makes knocking down the 45 yarders fun! Especially when the PCP's miss!!!

 

Kind Regards,

 

Mikey.

Edited November 17, 2011 by mikeyblue

[davyt63 1,845]

Hi Harvey,

 

When you zero it are you in the same position each time. Reason I ask is when I zero prone (TX200) and take a shot kneeling or standing, the point of impact is slightly different in each position.

 

I zero prone with my hand touching a wooden peg, as this is the most common position in UKAHFT. From what you have explained, it sounds like there has been a slight change in hold from the last time you shot, easy done if you havent shot springer for a while. I zero my rifle as explained and leave the settings, I know its spot on, if I miss it is usually down to inconsistant hold.

 

Holding the rifle cosistantly is relatively easy, but on HFT courses the course setters like to make it hard for us springer shooters. Sometimes you are lying on tree roots, in dips etc. so a consistant hold is difficult to achieve. All this makes knocking down the 45 yarders fun! Especially when the PCP's miss!!!

 

Kind Regards,

 

Mikey.

 

hi mikey your so fine your so fine hey mikey

sorry i apologise for breaking out in to an eighties song there mikey

 

i totally agree with you there mikey

 

Davy

[davyt63 1,845]

may be its due a service? - no idea

when did it have its last ? - its never had one! then i suggest you have it done,just as a process of elimination

 

when did you clean the barrel last ? - about 2 weeks ago but it was doing it befor that so its not that

 

have you changed your pellets recently ? - yes about a week ago i started to use the daystae rangemasters could be this,but some barrels will work well with different types of pellet,revert back to the other brand you was using and see if the problem persists ?

 

have you knocked the scope ? - never has it been knocked badly its had a few taps just like ive taped it agains a tree nothing majior i own three MTC's scopes and they are very good,the viper has lock down turrets,so shouldn't be that ?

 

are all mounts nice and finger tight ? - yes all mounts are secure and tight lets hope not over tighten then,as this will squash the tube,and cause it to fail

 

are you pulling rather than squeezing the trigger ? - i do a gentel pull i dont like squeez it sudenly just a smooth pull.

i would suggest you try a caressing squeeze,this works well for me ! and most other shooter too.

 

have you spoke to Gary @ MTC ? - no not yet i may contact him to see if its the scope. but not long ago they sent me a demo scope free of charge OK then,good customer service from MTC as always

 

 

i have no idea! ive only done it a few times when i was with darrel waite dont know if you will know him but hes really up their in the ukhft! but my score is on the web ill try find it

 

i am sorry don't know Darrell,i would assume he is an well known circuit shooter then! if so you should be in good hands

 

hi buddy

i have replied to all above, that's all i can think of. if you don't regulary shoot HFT and have only been a few times.and you shoot regular with Darren then you should be in good hands.but as mentioned above your hold could be incorrect,i know it happens to me from time to time.and you may think your holding it right but in fact your not hence the inaccurate shot/shots.i will stick my neck out here

 

1 out of three for me!

 

scope ?

hold ?

pellets ?

 

please let us know how you have/will resolved this issue,after all the info you gather and eliminate.for us and others.

good luck buddy

 

Davy

[HarveyTheHunter 6]

thanl you so much guys!!! now i know what to look out for when im shooting so i can identify the problem and change what eva i need to! i will bring it to the indoor range into my college soon and try zero it ill let you knwo how i get on thanks again guys really help me out!!