the night hunter 130 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 i would say it depended on what kinda land you ran on & surely if you were going for decent scores on rabbits you would need combinations of stamina, speed, agility, good feet, determination, strike etc etc... so what would you run for "big bag" nights? Quote Link to post
frankel 2,123 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 i would say it depended on what kinda land you ran on & surely if you were going for decent scores on rabbits you would need combinations of stamina, speed, agility, good feet, determination, strike etc etc... so what would you run for "big bag" nights? got two dogs mate Don & Swift, both decent dogs on different kinda ground... flat green fields (paddocks, golf courses, big open land) i would take swift everyday of the week, on side of a moor or fellsides were its rough terrain like were i was lamping on sunday night then take the Don Dog every night of the week.. im not saying they couldnt catch on either ground but i would use them to there advantages! horses for courses mate 1 Quote Link to post
weasle 1,119 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Quote Link to post
FUJI 17,728 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 so what would you run for "big bag" nights? MB's Kat Quote Link to post
the night hunter 130 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. this is very true point and one i agree with too. Quote Link to post
FUJI 17,728 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Don't think anyone is saying it AIN'T important.it's just not the be all and end all in a lurcher's makeup..yes it does have to be quick enough to catch it's quarry but that's about as much use as it needs to be imo? All the things that Moo mentioned are imo of more significance than just blinding speed? ATB Andy. Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,217 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Don't think anyone is saying it AIN'T important.it's just not the be all and end all in a lurcher's makeup..yes it does have to be quick enough to catch it's quarry but that's about as much use as it needs to be imo? All the things that Moo mentioned are imo of more significance than just blinding speed? ATB Andy. Yup, and lamped rabbits are often not even that fast . . . . . I would say a very fast dog with crap feet, crap strike, would catch less in a season than a slower dog with good feet and a good strike easily. Like has been said, if not we would all just run long dogs, whippet x grey etc. Quote Link to post
the night hunter 130 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Don't think anyone is saying it AIN'T important.it's just not the be all and end all in a lurcher's makeup..yes it does have to be quick enough to catch it's quarry but that's about as much use as it needs to be imo? All the things that Moo mentioned are imo of more significance than just blinding speed? ATB Andy. These type of threads allways have their diffrences in opinion. but isnt that waht makes a lurcher/lurcherman? diffrence of peoples opinions reflected in their breeding and attitude to other breeds. Quote Link to post
the night hunter 130 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Don't think anyone is saying it AIN'T important.it's just not the be all and end all in a lurcher's makeup..yes it does have to be quick enough to catch it's quarry but that's about as much use as it needs to be imo? All the things that Moo mentioned are imo of more significance than just blinding speed? ATB Andy. Yup, and lamped rabbits are often not even that fast . . . . . I would say a very fast dog with crap feet, crap strike, would catch less in a season than a slower dog with good feet and a good strike easily. Like has been said, if not we would all just run long dogs, whippet x grey etc. dont make sense really its not about handycap thats like saying a 3 legged dog vs a 5 legged dog. what about a slower dog with crap feet and crap strike ? Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Don't think anyone is saying it AIN'T important.it's just not the be all and end all in a lurcher's makeup..yes it does have to be quick enough to catch it's quarry but that's about as much use as it needs to be imo? All the things that Moo mentioned are imo of more significance than just blinding speed? ATB Andy. Spot on Andy, it was originally stated in the thread that speed was "the" most important thing in a lurcher, its thats so why dont we all own greyhounds? Its because you do need speed, of course you do but its not the most improtant attribute, there are lots of fast dogs out there which are shit, they have no stamina, poor feet, no bottle, no nose, no constitution, no strike etc etc, so no speed isnt the main attibute, when foxing was legal my dogs were mainly fox dogs, they were FAST ENOUGH to catch foxes, but what good was speed without bottle, strike, stamina, constitution?? I have seen dozens upon dozens of faster dogs but what use were they if they didnt have the neccesary attiributes, speed IS important, of course it is but its not the be all and end all............... Was speed the most important attribute in a hare/fox/rabbit/deer dog??????????? Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,217 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Don't think anyone is saying it AIN'T important.it's just not the be all and end all in a lurcher's makeup..yes it does have to be quick enough to catch it's quarry but that's about as much use as it needs to be imo? All the things that Moo mentioned are imo of more significance than just blinding speed? ATB Andy. Yup, and lamped rabbits are often not even that fast . . . . . I would say a very fast dog with crap feet, crap strike, would catch less in a season than a slower dog with good feet and a good strike easily. Like has been said, if not we would all just run long dogs, whippet x grey etc. dont make sense really its not about handycap thats like saying a 3 legged dog vs a 5 legged dog. what about a slower dog with crap feet and crap strike ? I know what you are saying. . . . and i think what i said came out wrong, But, in my opinion you can take a dog that is a lot slower but has the other attributes down to a tee, and bag up, leaving a much faster dog, with a less good strike, feet, brain etc, far behind in it's wake, over the course of a season. Quote Link to post
FUJI 17,728 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Don't think anyone is saying it AIN'T important.it's just not the be all and end all in a lurcher's makeup..yes it does have to be quick enough to catch it's quarry but that's about as much use as it needs to be imo? All the things that Moo mentioned are imo of more significance than just blinding speed? ATB Andy. These type of threads allways have their diffrences in opinion. but isnt that waht makes a lurcher/lurcherman? diffrence of peoples opinions reflected in their breeding and attitude to other breeds. Exactly matey ..it's been said a thousand times in the past and will be said many more times..it all depends on the ground and the type of dog used on it imo? ATB Andy. Quote Link to post
the night hunter 130 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Don't think anyone is saying it AIN'T important.it's just not the be all and end all in a lurcher's makeup..yes it does have to be quick enough to catch it's quarry but that's about as much use as it needs to be imo? All the things that Moo mentioned are imo of more significance than just blinding speed? ATB Andy. These type of threads allways have their diffrences in opinion. but isnt that waht makes a lurcher/lurcherman? diffrence of peoples opinions reflected in their breeding and attitude to other breeds. Exactly matey ..it's been said a thousand times in the past and will be said many more times..it all depends on the ground and the type of dog used on it imo? ATB Andy. so it brings back the age old argument what is the best x. and i think people have just answered the question themselves. there is no such ting as "the best x" so when people put up a thread askin re direct to this one. think of it as a start of season autum clean. and when people ask what is the best pre ban fox dog / hare dog and now rabbit dog again no such thing one of the best fox dogs i owned in the past pre ban (f*****g ban!) was a beddyx collie whippet. !!!! so for me personally speed is very nessasary but i think the "little something" a dog has plays a massive part no we cant breed this or train this into a dog all we can do is nurture it out of a dog and this can only come with experience! Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,217 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I think we established this a long, long time ago mate. 'Best' is a very very daft word, but that's old news It's not going to stop folk asking though . . . . . Quote Link to post
weasle 1,119 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 How can speed not be important?The clue is in the name running dog,Afast dog doesn't mean its charging around the place,crashing into stuff.But it means it can make a mistake and still have time to get back on tracks. Don't think anyone is saying it AIN'T important.it's just not the be all and end all in a lurcher's makeup..yes it does have to be quick enough to catch it's quarry but that's about as much use as it needs to be imo? All the things that Moo mentioned are imo of more significance than just blinding speed? ATB Andy. Spot on Andy, it was originally stated in the thread that speed was "the" most important thing in a lurcher, its thats so why dont we all own greyhounds? Its because you do need speed, of course you do but its not the most improtant attribute, there are lots of fast dogs out there which are shit, they have no stamina, poor feet, no bottle, no nose, no constitution, no strike etc etc, so no speed isnt the main attibute, when foxing was legal my dogs were mainly fox dogs, they were FAST ENOUGH to catch foxes, but what good was speed without bottle, strike, stamina, constitution?? I have seen dozens upon dozens of faster dogs but what use were they if they didnt have the neccesary attiributes, speed IS important, of course it is but its not the be all and end all............... Was speed the most important attribute in a hare/fox/rabbit/deer dog??????????? There are also plenty of dogs that kill fox for fun,trouble is unless there in a hole or ran down with a vehicle they cannot catch them.Speed may not be the most important,but it is very important,You can have good feet wind ect,but unless you just want to bounce rabbits of hedges at night you aint going to much eles,Try and catch a hare, deer in the day with a slow dog,Its not going to happen. Quote Link to post
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