scothunter 12,609 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 i remember the first gulf war,and seeing the american b52s in prestwick.f**k me they are some size for a bomber.i cant imagine the damage a squadron of those would cause. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 wasnt the vulcan how we were gonna deliver our nukes,before polaris came along? They were part of the 'V' bomber force of nuclear armed bombers along with the Victor & Valiant. The Vulcan only ever dropped conventional bombs during the Falklands war. http://en.wikipedia....tion_Black_Buck I remember seeing one fly at the RAF Brawdy air show as a kid. Makes me sad to look back at what we had and the sort of innovation we used to come up with on a budget. We're a poor, poor shadow of our former selves these days. are you kidding the typoon whips the arse of every other fighter /bomer there is are new destroyers are second to none still inovators just this and past goverments sqander the products of are inovators and the end up abroad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyfr1968 772 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 The F104 was a right donkey. Lockheed only got the export deals they did by giving back handers to corrupt officials, even the Yanks never used it as a front line plane. Only NASA took a few on for research. The Lightning and its cancelled replacement the TSR2 would have been a huge UK success had it not been for the US. They bludgened the RAF into taking the F4 and F111 instead. Just like they did with most other NATO countries at the time.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Yes the Vulcan was a tremendous aircraft,I remember the ground shaking at RAF Finningly (now Doncaster airport) airshow when three of them flew over the crowd and then climbed almost vertically years ago! I saw the Vulcan fly about 5 weeks ago at Waddington airshow still is a truly beautiful aircraft. The flight deck on them is tiny, it was originally designed as a single seater bomber but they decided to stick a co-pilots seat in without widening the cockpit if you ever get a chance to see a photo have a look I certainly wouldn't have wanted to spend 8 hours in that. As for giving stuff up for the yanks we have a history of doing that remember Frank Whittle the RAF officer credited with inventing the jet engine? he was told to hand all his research over to the yanks a the end of WW2 so they could develop it... The P51 Mustang was shite before we stuck a Rolls Royce ebgine in it then it became one of the best fighters in WW2. Even today the Apache helicopter we bought from the yanks we put our own engine and electronics in it and it is much better than the U.S version. I just wish we were able to still manufacture and sell our brilliant engineering abilities as we used to do. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyfr1968 772 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 And the Miles 52 that was robbed so that the Bell X1 worked.... The UK has been shafted many times by the US. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 are you kidding the typoon whips the arse of every other fighter /bomer there is.. It's not 100% British though is it? It got it's ass kicked by the Russian Su-30Mk1's when they were being exercised together with the Indian air force. There's no doubt that as an air superiority fighter it's up there with the best, but it's had it's multi role capabilities shoehorned on to it due to it not being designed for anything other than dogfighting. It is not a true fifth generation fighter like the F-22 or those in development elsewhere in the world. The new F35 Lightning II will be, but again - It won't be a British plane. In 10 years time there will be a multitude of better aircraft out there, you mark my words.. The P51 Mustang was shite before we stuck a Rolls Royce ebgine in it then it became one of the best fighters in WW2. . They never had the Mosquito though, did they? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Yes the Vulcan was a tremendous aircraft,I remember the ground shaking at RAF Finningly (now Doncaster airport) airshow when three of them flew over the crowd and then climbed almost vertically years ago! I saw the Vulcan fly about 5 weeks ago at Waddington airshow still is a truly beautiful aircraft. The flight deck on them is tiny, it was originally designed as a single seater bomber but they decided to stick a co-pilots seat in without widening the cockpit if you ever get a chance to see a photo have a look I certainly wouldn't have wanted to spend 8 hours in that. As for giving stuff up for the yanks we have a history of doing that remember Frank Whittle the RAF officer credited with inventing the jet engine? he was told to hand all his research over to the yanks a the end of WW2 so they could develop it... The P51 Mustang was shite before we stuck a Rolls Royce ebgine in it then it became one of the best fighters in WW2. Even today the Apache helicopter we bought from the yanks we put our own engine and electronics in it and it is much better than the U.S version. I just wish we were able to still manufacture and sell our brilliant engineering abilities as we used to do. i watched that documentary on whittle.really interesting and yes we gave his plans over to the yanks.thing is though we do have the equipment.much rather sell it though.hence why we for the size of us,are the second biggest arms exporters in the world. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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