sparrow hawk

[charlie caller 3,654]

Ok this is moving way off the mark, firstly I dont shoot roe with a .22 I use a .243. I only made that comparison to emphasise the point that in my humble opinion hunting something irrespective of legality that is neither a pest or a good food source just becouse it feeds your inflated ego about how wonderfull your bird is and enables you to talk tough from the corner of your mouth in the pub,is not good for our collective sports in general,if you guys think hunting blackbirds is good then so be it, personally the only blackbirds i want to hunt are the ones that look like beyonce,and as for the anti shooting stance that sounds like the sort of c--p that comes from a man who cant have a ticket for a s gun or fac and sour grapes creeping in,It beggars belief to me that you seem to attach such kudos to hunting a harmless songbird,assuming you have permission to hunt on land which I doubt,It would be great to know how happy your landowners would be knowing you hunted songbirds

that just shows how much you know i am clean as a whistle no criminal record whatso ever so i could have a ticket permission i have been lucky to have quite a bit passed on to me by family members i dont drink so wont be in a pub and dont go in the stalking section because its not my cup of tea you dont fly birds yet your knocking our sport you wouldnt like me knocking your sport in your section so stick your nose elsewere ps you want to shoot guns join the army roe cant shoot back

Well as a matter of fact I do fly a bird,a fhh,so I havent just moved over to have a bash at falconry as you seem to suggest,sorry I thought the point of a forum like this was amongst other things,a staging point for healthy debate,if you cant handle that then im sorry,but I have a right to my opinion as much as you do,as for the ability of roe deer to shoot back, thats the kind of silly thing antis say about foxhunting,how would you like to be chased by a pack of dogs ect ect if you lack the intellect to debate a subject without using childlike retorts,might I suggest you remain quiet

[jasper65 6]

Ahh yes four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie,Im sure if I searched hard enough I could find a song relating to bear baiting,my initial reply to this topic was in no way intended to be a criticism of another mans sport,indeed I fly a fhh myself,it was however an attempt to point out that on the grounds of utility, actively seeking to catch blackbirds legal or not does falconry no good what so ever,despite accounts of dashing flights and other heroic deeds in blackbird hawking,they are harmless songbirds that are not used on the table and are not a pest,and there are lots of alternative food sources available, so you dont need to freeze them for your birds,it is this kind ot FTW attitude that will end or put huge restraints on falconry,the antis will,mark my words turn their attentions to falconry,and when the time comes to deffend it perhaps the use of bops for food or pest control might sit better with joe public rather than heroic tales of killing one of our iconic garden songbirds,AGREE???

 

You're talking like Hawking quarry such as Blackbirds is a relativly new sport? I can tell you 100% hands down this sport was practiced well before anyone took up arms with Rifles .

 

I think you are getting wider and wider off the mark CC! You're questioning a sporting activity which is moraly more sound than many others, this is a sport where the quarry gets a fair sporting chance and otherwise makes its escape on many more occasions than actually caught. you say you have a HH? Just what side of the fence are you on? what you're going to do if your HH catches a Blackbird by accident while out flying?

 

while on the subject how to you view shooting Rooks squabs in April when they start to branch from the nest? must be very testing shooting these and great sport , not for me I'm afraid from a fair sporting point of view. you can say to me these are a pest species but then I could say to you the Blackbirds are doing my nut in eating all the cherries off our trees and Hammering our veg patch.

 

Just to say YET again I never meddle in anyone else sporting activities and wouldn't expect another fieldsportsman to do the same with mine, if he does? then Moraly what is he doing on a full on in your face Hunting forum I can rest with my Morals firmly in tact.

[mick1212 389]

Ok this is moving way off the mark, firstly I dont shoot roe with a .22 I use a .243. I only made that comparison to emphasise the point that in my humble opinion hunting something irrespective of legality that is neither a pest or a good food source just becouse it feeds your inflated ego about how wonderfull your bird is and enables you to talk tough from the corner of your mouth in the pub,is not good for our collective sports in general,if you guys think hunting blackbirds is good then so be it, personally the only blackbirds i want to hunt are the ones that look like beyonce,and as for the anti shooting stance that sounds like the sort of c--p that comes from a man who cant have a ticket for a s gun or fac and sour grapes creeping in,It beggars belief to me that you seem to attach such kudos to hunting a harmless songbird,assuming you have permission to hunt on land which I doubt,It would be great to know how happy your landowners would be knowing you hunted songbirds

that just shows how much you know i am clean as a whistle no criminal record whatso ever so i could have a ticket permission i have been lucky to have quite a bit passed on to me by family members i dont drink so wont be in a pub and dont go in the stalking section because its not my cup of tea you dont fly birds yet your knocking our sport you wouldnt like me knocking your sport in your section so stick your nose elsewere ps you want to shoot guns join the army roe cant shoot back

Well as a matter of fact I do fly a bird,a fhh,so I havent just moved over to have a bash at falconry as you seem to suggest,sorry I thought the point of a forum like this was amongst other things,a staging point for healthy debate,if you cant handle that then im sorry,but I have a right to my opinion as much as you do,as for the ability of roe deer to shoot back, thats the kind of silly thing antis say about foxhunting,how would you like to be chased by a pack of dogs ect ect if you lack the intellect to debate a subject without using childlike retorts,might I suggest you remain quiet

charlie boy you know nothing about spars so be quiet plus your going against other mens fieldsports now so you are saying its right to ban hunting fox with dogs get yourself a trainset

Edited July 7, 2011 by mick1212

[charlie caller 3,654]

Ahh yes four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie,Im sure if I searched hard enough I could find a song relating to bear baiting,my initial reply to this topic was in no way intended to be a criticism of another mans sport,indeed I fly a fhh myself,it was however an attempt to point out that on the grounds of utility, actively seeking to catch blackbirds legal or not does falconry no good what so ever,despite accounts of dashing flights and other heroic deeds in blackbird hawking,they are harmless songbirds that are not used on the table and are not a pest,and there are lots of alternative food sources available, so you dont need to freeze them for your birds,it is this kind ot FTW attitude that will end or put huge restraints on falconry,the antis will,mark my words turn their attentions to falconry,and when the time comes to deffend it perhaps the use of bops for food or pest control might sit better with joe public rather than heroic tales of killing one of our iconic garden songbirds,AGREE???

no i dont agree show the public a 243 leaning on a roe and show them a spar on a blackbird and i wonder what they would say was wrong

So I suppose they would prefer a blackbird drumstick in preference to a nice saddle of venison as well would they???? unreal,what utter rubbish

[mick1212 389]

Ahh yes four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie,Im sure if I searched hard enough I could find a song relating to bear baiting,my initial reply to this topic was in no way intended to be a criticism of another mans sport,indeed I fly a fhh myself,it was however an attempt to point out that on the grounds of utility, actively seeking to catch blackbirds legal or not does falconry no good what so ever,despite accounts of dashing flights and other heroic deeds in blackbird hawking,they are harmless songbirds that are not used on the table and are not a pest,and there are lots of alternative food sources available, so you dont need to freeze them for your birds,it is this kind ot FTW attitude that will end or put huge restraints on falconry,the antis will,mark my words turn their attentions to falconry,and when the time comes to deffend it perhaps the use of bops for food or pest control might sit better with joe public rather than heroic tales of killing one of our iconic garden songbirds,AGREE???

no i dont agree show the public a 243 leaning on a roe and show them a spar on a blackbird and i wonder what they would say was wrong

So I suppose they would prefer a blackbird drumstick in preference to a nice saddle of venison as well would they???? unreal,what utter rubbish

thought you rested your case posts ago

[jasper65 6]

thought you rested your case posts ago

 

While on the subject of birds! Wouldn't mind bumping into the bird in your avitar while out hawking Mick ....

[mick1212 389]

thought you rested your case posts ago

 

While on the subject of birds! Wouldn't mind bumping into the bird in your avitar while out hawking Mick ....

neither would i think blackies would be safe with not much hawking getting done

[charlie caller 3,654]

What, so im saying its ok to ban hunting with dogs am I??? dont think so,you did not read what I WROTE properly,I was refering to childish comments on deer stalking,and as for the side of the fence Im on OMG I thought we were all on the same side on here,just allowed to have a difference of opinion thats all,so ok we will agree to disagree then,warm barrels chaps,OOPS meant happy hawking.

[mick1212 389]

What, so im saying its ok to ban hunting with dogs am I??? dont think so,you did not read what I WROTE properly,I was refering to childish comments on deer stalking,and as for the side of the fence Im on OMG I thought we were all on the same side on here,just allowed to have a difference of opinion thats all,so ok we will agree to disagree then,warm barrels chaps,OOPS meant happy hawking.

someone say something

[jasper65 6]

What, so im saying its ok to ban hunting with dogs am I??? dont think so,you did not read what I WROTE properly,I was refering to childish comments on deer stalking,and as for the side of the fence Im on OMG I thought we were all on the same side on here,just allowed to have a difference of opinion thats all,so ok we will agree to disagree then,warm barrels chaps,OOPS meant happy hawking.

 

Lets just agree to disagree CC We'll always have different opinions on this one mate! the world would be a sad place if we all agreed on everything.

 

Have to say though! Hunting folk should stick together however we feel about other people activities, we're all in this together with a Majority of do gooders out to try and take it all away from us.

 

Time to swallow our pride and and fight from the same corner .

[danw 1,748]

Why when your sport is criticised do you defend it by criticising another mans? your ignorance of pheasant shooting is plain to see if it wasn't you would know that the demand for game now far exceeds production and game dealers are crying out for pheasants and partridge mine even waits at the chiller for us to finish the day so he can fulfil his next days orders!

 

I don't care what you guys legally take with your birds but don't start justifying your actions by criticising something that you are clearly ignorant to.

 

Look old mate! you come across as one of those who likes to come onto other peoples posts to do nothing but create controversy and arguements, now come out of little world and read my post again , not ONCE did I critisise Game shooting . infact I practice the f*****g sport myself so don't give me the moral high ground.

 

I note you popped up on another topic before this one basically doing the same thing old mate, I suggest you read that one again and you will see I live on a Sporting shooting estate which puts down at least 15,000 pheasants and you're telling me all these go to the game dealer even the one's that are smashed or mullered by dogs picking up ! I'm well aware on what goes on pal so take yourself off somewhere else and stop taking posts totaly out of context. seems you like to jump on posts without reading through them first .

 

 

 

Jasper I apologise I was wrong to single out your post I agree I have jumped on posts but I do so only in defence of a sport that I would passionately defend to the last even if at times it is misguided I am tired of hearing how on this website (though not necessarily this forum) shooting and keepers are the worst of the worst and this has affected how I tend to take posts.I do however feel strongly about the statement I made that we should never criticise another's sport in the defence of our own no mater which we are defending.

 

Hope you didn't take offence

Dan

[charlie caller 3,654]

What, so im saying its ok to ban hunting with dogs am I??? dont think so,you did not read what I WROTE properly,I was refering to childish comments on deer stalking,and as for the side of the fence Im on OMG I thought we were all on the same side on here,just allowed to have a difference of opinion thats all,so ok we will agree to disagree then,warm barrels chaps,OOPS meant happy hawking.

 

Lets just agree to disagree CC We'll always have different opinions on this one mate! the world would be a sad place if we all agreed on everything.

 

Have to say though! Hunting folk should stick together however we feel about other people activities, we're all in this together with a Majority of do gooders out to try and take it all away from us.

 

Time to swallow our pride and and fight from the same corner .

I could not agree more,well said mate,be lucky

[jasper65 6]

Jasper I apologise I was wrong to single out your post I agree I have jumped on posts but I do so only in defence of a sport that I would passionately defend to the last even if at times it is misguided I am tired of hearing how on this website (though not necessarily this forum) shooting and keepers are the worst of the worst and this has affected how I tend to take posts.I do however feel strongly about the statement I made that we should never criticise another's sport in the defence of our own no mater which we are defending.

 

Hope you didn't take offence

Dan

 

we all get fired up mate now and again! all water under the bridge

 

Dan thats a post straight from a sportsmans heart mate . you strike me as the sort of guy who would fight until his last breath to back up what he beleives in, can't fault that mate.

 

I have always had a good relationship with keepers on land that I fly and shoot on, always get invites to the cock shoots amd always available to lend a hand repairing pens and the like, always also had plenty of banter about my Hooked beak friends .

 

My sparrowhawk days finished long ago as has a vast majority of my falconry in a big way. I've had some dog and shooting lads down in the past and must say its a welcome change to get out and see and do some other sports apart from falconry, I love to see any of the dogs work.

 

in the past the key to land was always with the falconry methods, most landowners/Farmers would allow me on if I was flying corvids with a falcon or bunnies with a hawk! I even ended up with keepers coming out and showing me the best spots such was the trust. this also opend up the door for shooting permision as once I won the trust hawking they allowed me to shoot on there too < Mainly Pigeons and other vermin>.

 

I must admit I'm much the same as you and will defend our sports with my last breath, its our way of life which has bugger all to do with anyone else who disagrees mate

 

yis Jasp

[danw 1,748]

Jasper I apologise I was wrong to single out your post I agree I have jumped on posts but I do so only in defence of a sport that I would passionately defend to the last even if at times it is misguided I am tired of hearing how on this website (though not necessarily this forum) shooting and keepers are the worst of the worst and this has affected how I tend to take posts.I do however feel strongly about the statement I made that we should never criticise another's sport in the defence of our own no mater which we are defending.

 

Hope you didn't take offence

Dan

 

we all get fired up mate now and again! all water under the bridge

 

Dan thats a post straight from a sportsmans heart mate . you strike me as the sort of guy who would fight until his last breath to back up what he beleives in, can't fault that mate.

 

I have always had a good relationship with keepers on land that I fly and shoot on, always get invites to the cock shoots amd always available to lend a hand repairing pens and the like, always also had plenty of banter about my Hooked beak friends .

 

My sparrowhawk days finished long ago as has a vast majority of my falconry in a big way. I've had some dog and shooting lads down in the past and must say its a welcome change to get out and see and do some other sports apart from falconry, I love to see any of the dogs work.

 

in the past the key to land was always with the falconry methods, most landowners/Farmers would allow me on if I was flying corvids with a falcon or bunnies with a hawk! I even ended up with keepers coming out and showing me the best spots such was the trust. this also opend up the door for shooting permision as once I won the trust hawking they allowed me to shoot on there too < Mainly Pigeons and other vermin>.

 

I must admit I'm much the same as you and will defend our sports with my last breath, its our way of life which has bugger all to do with anyone else who disagrees mate

 

yis Jasp

 

 

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[The Seeker 3,048]

We are all (or should be) on the same side and at a time when a badger cull is being resisted by the general public due to ignorance and lack of understanding it's important we portray our legal right to hunt in a responsible manner.....

 

You say we are all on the same side so why the controversy? do I question anyone else field sports on a open forum or anywhere else for that matter? infact I practice plenty myself. for starters I don't fly spars anymore so I am out of aquation but I certainly wouldn't condemn anyone else flying them under licence or anyone else's sport! flying blackbirds under licence is totaly legal. Blackbirds are not exactly rare either are they and never will be if all they have to worry about is a trainned spar, take a look at the household cat first.

 

It seems to me that there's one hell of alot come on this forum ready to condemn other people pursuits in favour of theirs, its a laugh a minute to any of the anti brigade reading through these sort of crap . it also shows that some are willing to sit on the fence when it comes to some field sports ? as I remember we was all supposed to be one voice on the field sports marches, one voice my arse! somehow I doubt there's the same controversy with the anti's, they want to ban everything end off.

 

Blackbirds have been a flown by Austringers for centuries, its nothing new! its always been considered a sporting contest no more than a Dog chaseing a hare, ok you can eat the hare but what about 4 and 20 blackbirds baked in a pie ...

 

Jasper I have not the intention or the desire to criticise or condemn another mans field sport, God only knows there are enough out there to do that, however I would have exactly the same opinion if this post was about someone intentionally taking out blackbirds with an air rifle. it's not the sport it's the intentional pursuit of the quarry and the fact that it is legal under licence is not in question.

I concede some people have a difference of opinion and the day this forum turns into "nice dog mate, "nice gun mate" , "nice bird mate" only posts without constructive reasonable debate will be a sad day.

 

Happy hunting to all

Seeker