chilly 59 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Hi , some might have already read that my pup has had some problems with her stool and guts, suspected colitis and blood. Well that has cleared up well after having the pup on a diet of boiled chicken and rice for the past 2 weeks, ive been in the process of moving her back over to her complete puppy food which I have been adding soaked in water to the chicken and rice, I've Been adding it slowly but now as the quantity has increased and she's on about half of each her guts seem to be beginning to upset again , her stool is getting much more moist again, vary smelly and the amount she is shitting has gone right up ( could that be due to the amount of waste crap in the puppy food ?) The puppy food I have at the min is chudlys , it's quite cheep and I'm questioning it's quality If any one could advise a better quality complete puppy food that is more likely to agree with my pup that would be great , thanks all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacksbignose 8 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Hi , some might have already read that my pup has had some problems with her stool and guts, suspected colitis and blood. Well that has cleared up well after having the pup on a diet of boiled chicken and rice for the past 2 weeks, ive been in the process of moving her back over to her complete puppy food which I have been adding soaked in water to the chicken and rice, I've Been adding it slowly but now as the quantity has increased and she's on about half of each her guts seem to be beginning to upset again , her stool is getting much more moist again, vary smelly and the amount she is shitting has gone right up ( could that be due to the amount of waste crap in the puppy food ?) The puppy food I have at the min is chudlys , it's quite cheep and I'm questioning it's quality If any one could advise a better quality complete puppy food that is more likely to agree with my pup that would be great , thanks all Different dogs react differently to different foods so it could be a case of just finding the right one for your dog. The other thing is that constantly changing foods will affect your dogs digestion and it sometimes takes a while for dogs to settle on a food, which means that buying a kilo or two of whatever people suggest then swapping to the next suggestion a week later, might upset the dog and you'd not find the one that it settled on the best. I'd suggest trying BETA Puppy as it is (as far as any decent complete puppy feed can be) a good quality product BUT I'm sure there'll be someone along in a minute to suggest something else or to suggest barf... see above! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chilly 59 Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 I agree that the change can be as much the problem as the food, but have been adding the puppy food back into her diet vary gradually, all seemed ok with her till yesterday but she has began to show signs of the upset starting again, so have reduced the puppy food back down again today . But as the puppy food has increased so has the quantity she shits , this makes me think there is loads of waste or useless crap in the puppy food that is just passing straigt thro her ? Would you agree that is possible ? I think I will deff be changing her over to a more expensive complete food that will I hope will be of better quality, just hoped I might be able to learn something from others experiences of different brands before a decide which to go with Betta is now on the list lol Have you fed your dogs betta your self ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacksbignose 8 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 I agree that the change can be as much the problem as the food, but have been adding the puppy food back into her diet vary gradually, all seemed ok with her till yesterday but she has began to show signs of the upset starting again, so have reduced the puppy food back down again today . But as the puppy food has increased so has the quantity she shits , this makes me think there is loads of waste or useless crap in the puppy food that is just passing straigt thro her ? Would you agree that is possible ? Have you fed your dogs betta your self ? This isn't meant to sound patronising but any increase in intake will have more faeces. There'll be a lot less in the stools from just chicken and rice than there will from 'dried' food but that's normal if you think how much water there'd be in the rice and chicken; imagine how much you'd look at feeding if you dehydrated the chicken and rice! Does that make sense? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Hi , some might have already read that my pup has had some problems with her stool and guts, suspected colitis and blood. Well that has cleared up well after having the pup on a diet of boiled chicken and rice for the past 2 weeks, ive been in the process of moving her back over to her complete puppy food which I have been adding soaked in water to the chicken and rice, I've Been adding it slowly but now as the quantity has increased and she's on about half of each her guts seem to be beginning to upset again , her stool is getting much more moist again, vary smelly and the amount she is shitting has gone right up ( could that be due to the amount of waste crap in the puppy food ?) The puppy food I have at the min is chudlys , it's quite cheep and I'm questioning it's quality If any one could advise a better quality complete puppy food that is more likely to agree with my pup that would be great , thanks all I think your puppy came from Hancock? Right? How old is she now? He feeds a complete food that is 25% protein. I'm not sure what Chudley's comes in at protein wise but I'd check that out - I don't think it'll be 25%. I think the higher the protein the less you have to feed - that works for me. If it's cheaper and not as good quality wise they tend to need and eat more. Beta puppy food is excellent but dearer at almost £30 for a 15kg sack around here. I feed new puppies either Beta puppy or Gain Puppy and Sapling (£19.00 per 15kg sack and small pieces ideal for puppies) both are around the 28/29% protein and I also introduce raw meat slowly over a period of weeks (were you cooking the chicken or feeding it raw? My 7 1/2 month old collie greyhound is on Gain 28 which can also be fed to puppies and comes in at £12.00 a 15kg sack and is fed by some of the country's top greyhound handlers. But to be honest if it was my puppy I'd probably be taking a trip back to the vets. I'm not sure there'll be enough protein in just chicken and rice for a little puppy that is growing every day. To be sure, I'd have her checked out again. Also worth remembering that some dogs (like humans) just don't like or agree certain brands of food whilst others wolf them down. My wife has a cat that can't eat Whiskas complete food as it makes it shit off the face of the earth but she's fine on Go-Cat but her other cat can eat either! Let us know how she comes on mate and all the best with her. I'm happy to send you 4-5 kgs of the Gain for you to try her on. It'll save you buying a whole bag until you know she likes it? PM me if you want me to post some off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chilly 59 Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 I agree that the change can be as much the problem as the food, but have been adding the puppy food back into her diet vary gradually, all seemed ok with her till yesterday but she has began to show signs of the upset starting again, so have reduced the puppy food back down again today . But as the puppy food has increased so has the quantity she shits , this makes me think there is loads of waste or useless crap in the puppy food that is just passing straigt thro her ? Would you agree that is possible ? Have you fed your dogs betta your self ? This isn't meant to sound patronising but any increase in intake will have more faeces. There'll be a lot less in the stools from just chicken and rice than there will from 'dried' food but that's normal if you think how much water there'd be in the rice and chicken; imagine how much you'd look at feeding if you dehydrated the chicken and rice! Does that make sense? I get what you mean mate yea , could be right Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chilly 59 Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Hi , some might have already read that my pup has had some problems with her stool and guts, suspected colitis and blood. Well that has cleared up well after having the pup on a diet of boiled chicken and rice for the past 2 weeks, ive been in the process of moving her back over to her complete puppy food which I have been adding soaked in water to the chicken and rice, I've Been adding it slowly but now as the quantity has increased and she's on about half of each her guts seem to be beginning to upset again , her stool is getting much more moist again, vary smelly and the amount she is shitting has gone right up ( could that be due to the amount of waste crap in the puppy food ?) The puppy food I have at the min is chudlys , it's quite cheep and I'm questioning it's quality If any one could advise a better quality complete puppy food that is more likely to agree with my pup that would be great , thanks all I think your puppy came from Hancock? Right? How old is she now? He feeds a complete food that is 25% protein. I'm not sure what Chudley's comes in at protein wise but I'd check that out - I don't think it'll be 25%. I think the higher the protein the less you have to feed - that works for me. If it's cheaper and not as good quality wise they tend to need and eat more. Beta puppy food is excellent but dearer at almost £30 for a 15kg sack around here. I feed new puppies either Beta puppy or Gain Puppy and Sapling (£19.00 per 15kg sack and small pieces ideal for puppies) both are around the 28/29% protein and I also introduce raw meat slowly over a period of weeks (were you cooking the chicken or feeding it raw? My 7 1/2 month old collie greyhound is on Gain 28 which can also be fed to puppies and comes in at £12.00 a 15kg sack and is fed by some of the country's top greyhound handlers. But to be honest if it was my puppy I'd probably be taking a trip back to the vets. I'm not sure there'll be enough protein in just chicken and rice for a little puppy that is growing every day. To be sure, I'd have her checked out again. Also worth remembering that some dogs (like humans) just don't like or agree certain brands of food whilst others wolf them down. My wife has a cat that can't eat Whiskas complete food as it makes it shit off the face of the earth but she's fine on Go-Cat but her other cat can eat either! Let us know how she comes on mate and all the best with her. I'm happy to send you 4-5 kgs of the Gain for you to try her on. It'll save you buying a whole bag until you know she likes it? PM me if you want me to post some off. Yea mate she is Hancock , I changed her from the food they had her on cos it was adult food and thought she would be better on a puppy food. The chudleys is 29% protein , I'll have a look for that gain locally thanks for the offer tho mate , but if I can't get it around here then there not be much point sending me some if I can't get it again . When I was at the vets wit her last time they told me to continue with the boiled chicken and rice for a week and if it clears up start putting her back on the puppy food which I have done , they did say tho that she wouldn't be sup prised if it starts again when I start to change over and if it does to try some premium brand puppy food Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SILKEY 4 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 chilly you can somtimes get problems with feeding processed compleat food as they are made with by products chicken fat is added for protine more fat higer the protine so im not a big fan of this way of feeding most of the time your dogs will be ok on complet if it works thats ok but have found the best way for me is a diet of raw beef veg and brown bread on this i never get dogs with runs they dont crap mountains of sloppy smelly stuff are you giving milk if so allways give half milk half water as milk on its own can give dog runs good luck with him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 reared my pup on chudleys puppy well how i feed mine is a cpl of handfulls of complete with brown bread rice and either minced chicken or beef.he is 10month nowi just replaced the chudleys with that bakers complete.from day i got him i have never had runny stools.goats milk is better for a pup than cows aswell mate.good luck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacksbignose 8 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 With regards to giving your pup milk - many dogs are lactose intolerant as the enzyme required to digest milk decreases as a pup moves off the the bitch's teat. Some dogs can digest milk with no ill effect but it affects to some degree approx % of adult dogs, of that % it will vary between a dog getting slightly loose stools, to a dog literally having the trots for days afterwards (which in a pup is dangerous as they can become dehydrated through water lost in their bowel movements) and it is dependent upon the amount of milk consumed and obviously full fat milk is the worst. Not a lot of people realise that ferrets are affected by lactose intolerance and the old feed of bread and milk if given daily over a sustained period, was never that good for ferrets! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chilly 59 Posted April 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Don't give the pup milk at all, she has been on a strickt diet , just the chicken an rice and some of the puppy food, I've reduced the am out of puppy food again and all seems fine so will give it one last go in a day or two slowly building the amount again , if she begins to get I'll again I'm gona go get a different puppy food and try that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue one 89 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 With regards to giving your pup milk - many dogs are lactose intolerant as the enzyme required to digest milk decreases as a pup moves off the the bitch's teat. Some dogs can digest milk with no ill effect but it affects to some degree approx % of adult dogs, of that % it will vary between a dog getting slightly loose stools, to a dog literally having the trots for days afterwards (which in a pup is dangerous as they can become dehydrated through water lost in their bowel movements) and it is dependent upon the amount of milk consumed and obviously full fat milk is the worst. Not a lot of people realise that ferrets are affected by lactose intolerance and the old feed of bread and milk if given daily over a sustained period, was never that good for ferrets! Goats milk, is fine with dogs, very good for pups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Colitis will improve if you move away from a cereal based complete food and opt for a raw diet, about 60% chicken wings and 40% mince and fish with supplements of veg and fruit, IF you have to feed a complete diet then i have found that beta puppy is the best of a bad lot............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chilly 59 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Colitis will improve if you move away from a cereal based complete food and opt for a raw diet, about 60% chicken wings and 40% mince and fish with supplements of veg and fruit, IF you have to feed a complete diet then i have found that beta puppy is the best of a bad lot............ Hi , it's not that I have to feed a complete food , but that I can be sure she is getting everything she needs in her diet , and is a little more convenient Do you find it expensive to feed raw meet ? Do you buy frozen raw chicken wings and mince and defrost it ? As I would have thought the frozen stuff be cheaper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 13,131 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Colitis will improve if you move away from a cereal based complete food and opt for a raw diet, about 60% chicken wings and 40% mince and fish with supplements of veg and fruit, IF you have to feed a complete diet then i have found that beta puppy is the best of a bad lot............ Hi , it's not that I have to feed a complete food , but that I can be sure she is getting everything she needs in her diet , and is a little more convenient Do you find it expensive to feed raw meet ? Do you buy frozen raw chicken wings and mince and defrost it ? As I would have thought the frozen stuff be cheaper Ask your butcher for scraps for your dog, my freezer is full of meat from him, cost to me, bugger all i just donate a few bob every now and then, chicken wings from morrisons in a tray. dirt cheap, your dog will love them, sardines the list is endless, one other thing, fresh water down at all times especially with this hot weather Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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