Shooting dogs worrying sheep

[MarcLamont 3]

If a keeper/farmer threatens to shoot your dog, and you phone 999 and say he's threatening to shoot YOU !!! What do you think will happen ??? Helicopters and Armed Responce Units will happen, and the man with the gun will be in serious shit !! So, as I said, anyone thinking of shooting a dog these days, had better have a very good lawyer !!

 

My neighbours dogs have been aggressive towards my sheep on several occasions, and I have caught the neighbour encouraging the dogs onto my land - ongoing neighbourhood dispute over a right of way. I wrote to them a registered letter stating that IF their dogs were found in my sheep field I would shoot them. ( Shotgun cert only ) This was after checking with my local FAO who said I should warn them of the risks their dogs had of being shot.

 

For revenge they did just what you stated: They called 999 and said I had shot at them from my house when they were crossing my field. Helicopters, armed police, closed roads all around my farm. I was arrested and charged. Then released later that night as the police did not believe thier story, and forensics showed I had not fired any gun. They claimed later at interview that the day after I sent the letter I had verbally threatened to shoot their dogs on their own property and that is why they made the call to the police, and spiced things up. It took six weeks for the investigation to be complete, but my certificate ( and my wifes ) were returned with the shotguns confiscated, and the Firearm Manager personally visited, and he confirmed that if the dogs came onto my land and chased my sheep, I could shoot them. He also told the neighbours that same day that if there dogs came onto my land he expected that I would shoot them, and that he would not be interested in investigating any claim.

 

And now, just for added fun, the neighbours are being done by the police for perverting the course of public justice. That is jail time.

 

So yes, some idiot can make statements and call the police, but the police take the shooting of people very very seriously and investigate completely, and the truth will out!

[The Seeker 3,048]

If a keeper/farmer threatens to shoot your dog, and you phone 999 and say he's threatening to shoot YOU !!! What do you think will happen ??? Helicopters and Armed Responce Units will happen, and the man with the gun will be in serious shit !! So, as I said, anyone thinking of shooting a dog these days, had better have a very good lawyer !!

 

My neighbours dogs have been aggressive towards my sheep on several occasions, and I have caught the neighbour encouraging the dogs onto my land - ongoing neighbourhood dispute over a right of way. I wrote to them a registered letter stating that IF their dogs were found in my sheep field I would shoot them. ( Shotgun cert only ) This was after checking with my local FAO who said I should warn them of the risks their dogs had of being shot.

 

For revenge they did just what you stated: They called 999 and said I had shot at them from my house when they were crossing my field. Helicopters, armed police, closed roads all around my farm. I was arrested and charged. Then released later that night as the police did not believe thier story, and forensics showed I had not fired any gun. They claimed later at interview that the day after I sent the letter I had verbally threatened to shoot their dogs on their own property and that is why they made the call to the police, and spiced things up. It took six weeks for the investigation to be complete, but my certificate ( and my wifes ) were returned with the shotguns confiscated, and the Firearm Manager personally visited, and he confirmed that if the dogs came onto my land and chased my sheep, I could shoot them. He also told the neighbours that same day that if there dogs came onto my land he expected that I would shoot them, and that he would not be interested in investigating any claim.

 

And now, just for added fun, the neighbours are being done by the police for perverting the course of public justice. That is jail time.

 

So yes, some idiot can make statements and call the police, but the police take the shooting of people very very seriously and investigate completely, and the truth will out!

 

Finally some sense from the police, yes they have to investigate a fire arms complaint but I really hope they throw the book at you neighbour for what can only be described as a complete waste of Police time and resources. I would also consider legal action for the hassle caused due to no other reason than a fabricated lie.

 

[richmcgin 32]

Amen JG - Reality check at last. Quoting chapter and verse is one thing after the event but in the heat of the moment I wouldn't think twice either. As for the bloke who said he'd burn a mans house down a couple of pages back I think the c**t should be banned from the site for even implying it.

Sorry iam a bit late picking up on this thread but i have been away.

Matt its not a case of Quoting chapter and verse its a case of the law an act is law laid down by parliment not guidelines, if you can disreguard the law in the heat of the moment then you shouldnt be able to own any kind of firearm, thats how murder happens.

i fully agree that out of control dogs need to be delt with, farmers and gamekeeps need to protect their livelihoods. but at the same time need to protect themselves from the possible conciquences of shooting a dog. i have had a run in with a local farmer who thought my dogs had been worrying his stock and it got quiet heated, he threatend to shoot my dogs and i expressed my displeasure equally, as it turned out 2 days later he was at my door saying how sorry he was as he had caught the culpret and delt with them. But if he had of shot them in the heat of the moment at my house, he would be settling down for a stay in the big house.

[tegater 789]

Amen JG - Reality check at last. Quoting chapter and verse is one thing after the event but in the heat of the moment I wouldn't think twice either. As for the bloke who said he'd burn a mans house down a couple of pages back I think the c**t should be banned from the site for even implying it.

Sorry iam a bit late picking up on this thread but i have been away.

Matt its not a case of Quoting chapter and verse its a case of the law an act is law laid down by parliment not guidelines, if you can disreguard the law in the heat of the moment then you shouldnt be able to own any kind of firearm, thats how murder happens.

i fully agree that out of control dogs need to be delt with, farmers and gamekeeps need to protect their livelihoods. but at the same time need to protect themselves from the possible conciquences of shooting a dog. i have had a run in with a local farmer who thought my dogs had been worrying his stock and it got quiet heated, he threatend to shoot my dogs and i expressed my displeasure equally, as it turned out 2 days later he was at my door saying how sorry he was as he had caught the culpret and delt with them. But if he had of shot them in the heat of the moment at my house, he would be settling down for a stay in the big house.

Yes but if he had shot them in the heat of the moment at your house, he would quite clearly be in the wrong, because they were not worrying sheep at that point, or about to etc.

 

As for the point about heat of the moment generally, I think Matt means "at the time it is happening" and this paragraph covers it;-

 

4)For the purposes of this section the condition stated in either of the paragraphs of the preceding subsection shall be deemed to have been satisfied if the defendant believed that it was satisfied and had reasonable ground for that belief.

[richmcgin 32]

oh yes i see what you mean but you would still have to show that either condition had been met and the act of killing was not just one born of anger in the heat of the moment. if you see what i mean.

[tegater 789]

oh yes i see what you mean but you would still have to show that either condition had been met and the act of killing was not just one born of anger in the heat of the moment. if you see what i mean.

Yes my point exactly

[ands 491]

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Sometimes the sheep just get in the way! This could have easily been taken the wrong way.

[whisperingeye 27]

not read most of the replys as i can imagine whats wrote,,,,

truth of the matter is a dog that worrys sheep or even chases sheep should be shot and the owner prosecuted even more

[Deker 3,450]

Ok, I haven't read all this so pull me up if you like, the condition "Shooting Dogs" is virtually non existant as far as I'm aware, as is "shooting burglers" and you don't need either if you have just cause.

 

Just the same, the condition, ALL OTHER LAWFUL QUARRY, covers your backside if in any doubt!

[tegater 789]

Ok, I haven't read all this so pull me up if you like, the condition "Shooting Dogs" is virtually non existant as far as I'm aware, as is "shooting burglers" and you don't need either if you have just cause.

 

Just the same, the condition, ALL OTHER LAWFUL QUARRY, covers your backside if in any doubt!

Agree. That is my point in point #94.

 

Similar to "reasonable force" in self defence.