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[Ideation 8,217]

Its a common mistake to think the Irish, Welsh and Scots are 'Celts' and that they have some form of link to one another.

 

'Celt' is a modern term used to associate the Britons, who were Iron age peoples from Britain (but not Ireland and Northern Scotland) and North West Europe (such as Brittany), with similar cultures. There isn't really any record of the term 'Celt' being used until the last few hundred or so years ago as we tried to make sense of our muddied history. The advent of national sporting fixtures in the 1800s, saw the term 'Celt' gain popularity to describe the inhabitants of the then (but clearly not now after Saturday's thumping!) smaller underdog nations in the British Isles.

 

And don't forget that by the 1st century, most Britons had been Romanized following the Roman invasion. Then most Romano-Britons were Anglicised by the Anglo-Saxons from Denmark/Holland/Germany in the 5th-8th centuries (one tribe, the Angles, even named England after themselves). Most of the what is now modern Scotland had by then been overrun by Ulstermen (in fact the Scots were a tribe from Ulster who emigrated to Scotland in such numbers that they named the place after them too!

 

By the 9th century, the only places where the Britons' culture remained were Mid and North West Wales, Cumbria, Cornwall. And by then the Vikings had already started to arrive to mess up the map even more!

 

Anyway, to cut a long story short, if you aren't Middle or North West Walian, Cumbrian or Cornish, then you aren't really a 'Celt'.

am afraid to tell you were all mogrels cross breds ,

 

Nice history lesson but not strictly true. The first recoded use of the term 'celt' is from 517 BC. Also the notion that 'most britons had become romanized' due to the prescence of roman invaders/settlers is also a fantasy. The lives of most of the average rural dwelling populace would have changed little, during and after roman reign. But yer, nice to see someone interested in history.

 

I'd also seriously contend the idea that half the world thinks we own the world and want to be like us. These days we are a bit of a joke, or just down right hated.

strictly is true spent a day in the company of a historian in the British museum who explained the romantic notion of the Celtic race is just that a romantic notion ,

 

I think you will find there are a range of slightly conflicting theories held by different academics. I was not debating the idea that the notion of a true 'celtic race' is a little romantic and not true. I was just arguing that it is not a 'modern' term and was infact coined a long time ago, it is though to derive from varying places/terms including 'Keletoi' which is the term for a war band.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Its a common mistake to think the Irish, Welsh and Scots are 'Celts' and that they have some form of link to one another.

 

'Celt' is a modern term used to associate the Britons, who were Iron age peoples from Britain (but not Ireland and Northern Scotland) and North West Europe (such as Brittany), with similar cultures. There isn't really any record of the term 'Celt' being used until the last few hundred or so years ago as we tried to make sense of our muddied history. The advent of national sporting fixtures in the 1800s, saw the term 'Celt' gain popularity to describe the inhabitants of the then (but clearly not now after Saturday's thumping!) smaller underdog nations in the British Isles.

 

And don't forget that by the 1st century, most Britons had been Romanized following the Roman invasion. Then most Romano-Britons were Anglicised by the Anglo-Saxons from Denmark/Holland/Germany in the 5th-8th centuries (one tribe, the Angles, even named England after themselves). Most of the what is now modern Scotland had by then been overrun by Ulstermen (in fact the Scots were a tribe from Ulster who emigrated to Scotland in such numbers that they named the place after them too!

 

By the 9th century, the only places where the Britons' culture remained were Mid and North West Wales, Cumbria, Cornwall. And by then the Vikings had already started to arrive to mess up the map even more!

 

Anyway, to cut a long story short, if you aren't Middle or North West Walian, Cumbrian or Cornish, then you aren't really a 'Celt'.

am afraid to tell you were all mogrels cross breds ,

 

Nice history lesson but not strictly true. The first recoded use of the term 'celt' is from 517 BC. Also the notion that 'most britons had become romanized' due to the prescence of roman invaders/settlers is also a fantasy. The lives of most of the average rural dwelling populace would have changed little, during and after roman reign. But yer, nice to see someone interested in history.

 

I'd also seriously contend the idea that half the world thinks we own the world and want to be like us. These days we are a bit of a joke, or just down right hated.

strictly is true spent a day in the company of a historian in the British museum who explained the romantic notion of the Celtic race is just that a romantic notion ,

 

I think you will find there are a range of slightly conflicting theories held by different academics. I was not debating the idea that the notion of a true 'celtic race' is a little romantic and not true. I was just arguing that it is not a 'modern' term and was infact coined a long time ago, it is though to derive from varying places/terms including 'Keletoi' which is the term for a war band.

mongrels and cross breds , from picts ,norse, roman, saxon, etc etc , celts my arse

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malt i wasnt talkin about sports teams was talkin the general thoughts towards each other

[Malt 379]

malt i wasnt talkin about sports teams was talkin the general thoughts towards each other

 

Mate, you'll find the majority of Welsh and English people get along well once you take sport out of the equation. Yes we've all got our national identities, but we're all on the same side when the shit hits the fan.

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I consider myself British, I'm born and bred in England so will support England over Scotland, Ireland and Wales, but I always do like to see the home nations do well against any foreign team they play, no matter what sport it is. A healthy competitiveness between us all is a good thing, but It'd be nice to think that there would be a bit more unity between us all these days.

 

Too be proud of who you are doesn't mean to say you have to hate anyone else.

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Now as a Welsh man I don't care if Wales win or loose later, nice to win and shite if you loose. I've competed against a few nations in various sports over the years and have found Celts will always support ALL nations..............win or loose

 

England will never do this, sorry if I upset some folk but it is true and you need to fu.ckin wake up with all your "big country" shite. England were firmly put in their place in the rugby world today even with their 2nd half display.

 

Maybe Wales will suffer the same later, BUT there's something that spurs me on..................

 

I once was "stoned" (not drugs) after I got onto Irish soil for being a "BRIT", once the folk realised I was a Celt all was fine

 

Think about it England and change your fu.ckin arrogant attitude

 

i dont know where you get this from,,,, all you "home nations" hate us,,, and usualy support who ever is playing us... its us english that usualy get behind the other home nations in compatitions.