SNAP SHOT 194 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 32g v-max seen crows shot just over 500 yards with the 204, lucky shot admititly, but bunnies to over 400, and foxes slightly past 300, never saw a splash round ever with the 204. and i'm not disagreeing with you deker, just never seen it, most accurate the ruger m77 32g, Quote Link to post
Deker 3,491 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Chuck Hawks's MPBR chart gives the maximum range at which a bullet aimed on the crosshairs with no adjustment for drop will be no more than 1.5" high or low, from under the muzzle to the MPBR for the .204 MPBR is 275yds, for .22-250 it is 260 yds. Zero the .204 1.1" high at 100 yds and at any range from 0-275yds it will be no more than +/- 1.5" high or low. That's with 33gn BT @ 4225fps MV Ric. Ric On the face of it the .204 has a lot going for it, the reality is charts are not field work, the calibre is exceptionally fussy and has a tendancy to surface splash, so the book says good, field work says think carefully! I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in a .204! ATB! What would you be interested in I guess 223? This bullet splash, would it really be that bad on a fox? I can understand on a coyote but I would have thought it would do enough damage to a fox wherever it hit. I have no experience with the 204 so I can't make an informed opinion. Im concerned the 32 or 33g bullet head is a bit light but unless you try things yourself you never know. There seems to be a definitive line either everyone loves the 204 or hates it. I have a .223, I am not suggesting it is "better" than a .204, I have experience of field work, reloading and terminal effect with the .204. I have seen surface splash on a rabbit and fox with .204, I have never seen it with a .223. Like I said....I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in a .204! Quote Link to post
sako 23 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Cheers deker for the reply. I really hope Im going to disagree but if I do agree with you I'll just stick my nv on the 22-250. Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Chuck Hawks's MPBR chart gives the maximum range at which a bullet aimed on the crosshairs with no adjustment for drop will be no more than 1.5" high or low, from under the muzzle to the MPBR for the .204 MPBR is 275yds, for .22-250 it is 260 yds. Zero the .204 1.1" high at 100 yds and at any range from 0-275yds it will be no more than +/- 1.5" high or low. That's with 33gn BT @ 4225fps MV Ric. Ric On the face of it the .204 has a lot going for it, the reality is charts are not field work, the calibre is exceptionally fussy and has a tendancy to surface splash, so the book says good, field work says think carefully! I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in a .204! ATB! What would you be interested in I guess 223? This bullet splash, would it really be that bad on a fox? I can understand on a coyote but I would have thought it would do enough damage to a fox wherever it hit. I have no experience with the 204 so I can't make an informed opinion. Im concerned the 32 or 33g bullet head is a bit light but unless you try things yourself you never know. There seems to be a definitive line either everyone loves the 204 or hates it. I have a .223, I am not suggesting it is "better" than a .204, I have experience of field work, reloading and terminal effect with the .204. I have seen surface splash on a rabbit and fox with .204, I have never seen it with a .223. Like I said....I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in a .204! Why should you? You have the calibres either side, they work, you have no need for .204. BUT there's a few guys on here who rate Hornet + .243 as a good pairing. I can see that; I rate .204 + .243 even better. Now the fit's gonna hit the shan . . Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 they all do the job its the guy behind the gun to put it in the right place. if i was shooting at long range foxes with 204 i would want to use a 39 or 40 grain bullet. soon as the slot is filled on my ticket will have it sorted. 22lr for rabbits , 17 rem fb for rabbit and fox to 200 yards on some of the flat ground permissions where the bigger calibers can be abit iffy. 22/250 for the foxing and muntjac this rifle gets most use. and once i find a 25/06 to buy that will cover the bigger deer and will also give it a outing on the foxes ! thats all the range of calibers me and my old man need Quote Link to post
Deker 3,491 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Chuck Hawks's MPBR chart gives the maximum range at which a bullet aimed on the crosshairs with no adjustment for drop will be no more than 1.5" high or low, from under the muzzle to the MPBR for the .204 MPBR is 275yds, for .22-250 it is 260 yds. Zero the .204 1.1" high at 100 yds and at any range from 0-275yds it will be no more than +/- 1.5" high or low. That's with 33gn BT @ 4225fps MV Ric. Ric On the face of it the .204 has a lot going for it, the reality is charts are not field work, the calibre is exceptionally fussy and has a tendancy to surface splash, so the book says good, field work says think carefully! I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in a .204! ATB! What would you be interested in I guess 223? This bullet splash, would it really be that bad on a fox? I can understand on a coyote but I would have thought it would do enough damage to a fox wherever it hit. I have no experience with the 204 so I can't make an informed opinion. Im concerned the 32 or 33g bullet head is a bit light but unless you try things yourself you never know. There seems to be a definitive line either everyone loves the 204 or hates it. I have a .223, I am not suggesting it is "better" than a .204, I have experience of field work, reloading and terminal effect with the .204. I have seen surface splash on a rabbit and fox with .204, I have never seen it with a .223. Like I said....I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in a .204! Why should you? You have the calibres either side, they work, you have no need for .204. BUT there's a few guys on here who rate Hornet + .243 as a good pairing. I can see that; I rate .204 + .243 even better. Now the fit's gonna hit the shan . . Ric The pairings you have suggested will no doubt work for many people and that is fine, everyone has their own requirements for their own reasons. The .204 does have a LOT going for it on the face of things, I am not arguing with that at all. The problem comes in things such as ammo, (the price/availability) or finding the right home brew that works, the barrel needs to be a flagpole to get the best out of it (cut it short and you have wasted the whole point of a .204), and then at the end of the day it has a somewhat specialised use, assuming you get one that works and you are not too exhausted carrying it around to shoot it that is. Either side if the .204 I have.... ..... ..... and HMR and WMR and above it the .223 and .243 and ...... Without doubt it could/can be argued I have a gap here which the Hornet/.204 would possibly fill quite well, although with ammo choices available this has never caused me and insurmountable problem yet! I have looked at both in some depth, used both and known those who have or had both, if I was to get one it would be a Hornet 100%. There are of course happy .204 owners, there are also a growing number of rather quick and frustrating trade ins. A quick look at Guntrader has shown out of 19, .204 for sale, 8 are used, what does that say about a calibre that has only been available in the UK for 5 minutes! With a slight tongue in the cheek, I would say if you want to go sniping crows at 300-400 yards then the .204 is the tool for the job, if you get one that works with the right ammo, if you want to do anything else with it look very carefully at the other calibre options available. Like I say, I am not knocking the calibre at all, EVERY calibre has its uses, but think on very carefully about the .204 if you are looking for a general field tool, it isn't! ATB! Quote Link to post
CharlieT 32 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I chuckle every time I read one of Dekers "I hate the .204" posts. I've never seen surface splash in the 100's of foxes and crows I've shot with one, yes I accept it can happen but then any light highly frangible bullet traveling at 4000fps no matter what the caliber can. As for ammo prices well, I pay the same for .204 as I do for 22.250 and .243 so whats the big deal, oh and did I ever mention I got rid of my .223 as it was consistently out performed by the far superior .204. If I could only have one rifle I think it would have to be the .204 for the sheer fun factor, it puts a smile on my face every time I squeeze the trigger. The only thing I will agree with is that with the common twist rate 40gr may be a problem (although it is not in mine) and that one must accept that 39gr may be the limit but then again the same twist rate problems occur in the .223 shooting heavier bullets. When someone asks for advice at least make it unbiased and factual. Quote Link to post
sako 23 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I chuckle every time I read one of Dekers "I hate the .204" posts. I've never seen surface splash in the 100's of foxes and crows I've shot with one, yes I accept it can happen but then any light highly frangible bullet traveling at 4000fps no matter what the caliber can. As for ammo prices well, I pay the same for .204 as I do for 22.250 and .243 so whats the big deal, oh and did I ever mention I got rid of my .223 as it was consistently out performed by the far superior .204. If I could only have one rifle I think it would have to be the .204 for the sheer fun factor, it puts a smile on my face every time I squeeze the trigger. The only thing I will agree with is that with the common twist rate 40gr may be a problem (although it is not in mine) and that one must accept that 39gr may be the limit but then again the same twist rate problems occur in the .223 shooting heavier bullets. When someone asks for advice at least make it unbiased and factual. Nice one Charlie! Im smiling again! (temporarily!) Quote Link to post
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