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[BULL 100]

As we know this is a hunting forum and dogs do get bred I somtimes watch this forum and I watch people jumping all over the thread with there self rightous shouts of hes a "puppy pedlar" scum hes a "dog dealer"

Where do all us hunters get are new dogs from ,do we breed them are selves ,if so are we then puppy pedlars ,do we buy them in , go and buy a nice pup well looked after and brought on ,does that make the man you bought it of a peddler,

A good friend of mine breeds bulldogs hes got an idea of having a fitter type and breeds fairley regular he has a few brood bitches and a high quality stud dog he somtimes keeps a pup the rest are sold on ,and he makes very good money from this is he a breeeder or a pedler?

His dogs are in excellent condition they are housed in great kennells proffesionally made and fed the best and excercised right I cant fault how he keeps and loves these dogs but it is a business and he does make good money.

I have my own take on it .

lets hear your thoughts

[thorny 100]

Interesting post mate. I think personally if You are breeding a type of dog and are passionate about what You do, and with every litter try to improve the litter before,This make You a responsible dog breeder. There are many people out there that breed for money mating any old bitch to any dog. This is where it goes wrong for Me and the only gain can be financial. Rather than planning litters traveling miles to improve Your stock.Holding pups back to rebreed from or work. The thing that gets Me is do people really know just how expensive it is to rear a litter correctly. I would say from My experience it is in excess of £500 and upto £1000 depending on litter size.

just My two penneth worth

Justin

Edited November 2, 2010 by thorny

[thorny 100]

Interesting post mate. I think personally if You are breeding a type of dog and are passionate about what You do, and with every litter try to improve the litter before,This make You a responsible dog breeder. There are many people out there that breed for money mating any old bitch to any dog. This is where it goes wrong for Me and the only gain can be financial. Rather than planning litters traveling miles to improve Your stock.Holding pups back to rebreed from or work. The thing that gets Me is do people really know just how expensive it is to rear a litter correctly. I would say from My experience it is in excess of £500 and upto £1000 depending on litter size.

just My two penneth worth

Justin

The one thing I will add and I think its the one thing that sets the two apart, and good breeder will always take back any animal they have breed, if peoples circumstances change. This is something that I Myself had to do on a couple of occasions. Then rehome the animal to a home that I kept intouch with, as I did with all My pups

Justin

[BULL 100]

Interesting post mate. I think personally if You are breeding a type of dog and are passionate about what You do, and with every litter try to improve the litter before,This make You a responsible dog breeder. There are many people out there that breed for money mating any old bitch to any dog. This is where it goes wrong for Me and the only gain can be financial. Rather than planning litters traveling miles to improve Your stock.Holding pups back to rebreed from or work. The thing that gets Me is do people really know just how expensive it is to rear a litter correctly. I would say from My experience it is in excess of £500 and upto £1000 depending on litter size.

just My two penneth worth

Justin

excellent reply i also think its the type of dogs too,for instance lurcher/running dogs are in my opinon very cheap even for a "internet super dog" your only talking a couple hundred pound tops ,its very easy to neglect somthing that has not much monatery worth (for some people) if it was a £1500 bulldog it limits the type of person who wants to buy it i.e either a breeder,showman or a loving pet owner who after shelling out £1500 will more than likely treat it like a king.

Now im not saying lurcher owners are bad just near on anyone can afford one shove it in a kennel breed it to death of the back off a good working sire .also that fact that as we know not all of them make the grade which leaves another influx of secondhand dogs which are even cheaper than a puppy but ready to sire or breed a litter out off

[Bootsha 1,306]

Good thread mate. My take on it is this, I have had in a pup occassionally over the years , sourced from honest grafting parents.

I have also bred the occasional litter for my own use and sold on a few of the spare ones that mates dont want, I dont class myself as a peddlar or a dealer. If your mate looks after his dogs as well as you say, and has the best interest of the dogs welfare and well being at heart, then I would say he's a businessman, a good businessman.

He doesn't breed indiscriminately every time a bitch is in season, yes he sells his pups and makes money, but it seems that he genuinely has the best interest of these dogs at heart.

What grips my shit, and theres a shitload on this site, is the tossers who buy a pup, keep it until the novelty wears off or the ever so cute bull cross pup shall we say, starts to follow in the footsteps of his 28" father and starts to get in the way, sell him on with some cock and bull story and get another poor twat of a dog to demoralise and spoil.

Thats where the peddlars fill a niche I suppose, albeit an unwanted service, to the arsewipes who habitually take on and then pass on a pup. Rant Over. Good thread tho mate.

[heart of wales 19]

In my opinion A puppy peddlar is someone who keeps so many dogs, he couldnt possibly walk them properly in the day let alone work them.So why would he keep them to breed them.

[BULL 100]

my friend has profesionally built kennells and they open on to a field there all excercised once a day and the working dogs he has are really worked ,but and this is a big but if those dogs he breeds as a cottage industry (bulldogs)wernt worth as much would he bother the answer is NO but does it make him a peddler ,?

As hes providing the same service a farmer does with show cherolis bulls or show chickens they both give the animals a good standard of life and make money out of there hobby .

[DottyDoo 500]

breed for improvement/self use= breeder

 

breeding solely for money/breeding unfit dogs=peddlar

 

 

 

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

In my opinion, there are good and bad in the working dog world, the good ones breed from the best, for 1 reason only, to produce more quality working dogs to do certain jobs and carry on the line ... the other side of the coin, are the people who breed for £££ only, and dont care about the working qualities and sometimes even the husbandry of their dogs is neglected. :thumbdown

[BULL 100]

In my opinion, there are good and bad in the working dog world, the good ones breed from the best, for 1 reason only, to produce more quality working dogs to do certain jobs and carry on the line ... the other side of the coin, are the people who breed for £££ only, and dont care about the working qualities and sometimes even the husbandry of their dogs is neglected. :thumbdown

i agree with everything you said in a working dog world ,but what do you think of people who breed an expensive type of dog as a cottage industry not bred everytime its in season ,but bred for money but housed ,loved and genrally looked after well in a methodical breeding program they keep the odd exemplary pup but sell the rest for a very good profit ...

[Ideation 8,216]

In my opinion, there are good and bad in the working dog world, the good ones breed from the best, for 1 reason only, to produce more quality working dogs to do certain jobs and carry on the line ... the other side of the coin, are the people who breed for £££ only, and dont care about the working qualities and sometimes even the husbandry of their dogs is neglected. :thumbdown

 

 

 

What about the folk that DO care about the working ability of their dogs etc etc etc but also breed them for coin

[Leeview 791]

Bull in post 4 you mention pups at £1500, without doubt people will pay that why? because a bitch does nt always have just one pup, so a bitch having 4 pups x£1500 and they see it as quids in and will have a second and third litter possibly with not a jot of a thought for the breed that your mate has IMHO

Y.I.S Leeview

[gnasher16 30,872]

Lets cut the bullshit,the mans a peddlar plain and simple,the very worst kind in my book....and i dont mean to be impolite.

So what,because he has professionally built kennels and feeds a good feed that makes it ok ....." im keeping one back for myself but the other 6 are all for sale for 1500 pound each " : that old chestnut !

 

You say yourself he breeds for money,thats a peddlar....what in my opinion makes him the worst kind of peddlar is that he charges such an extortionate amount of money for pups,the type of money that encourages others to be peddlars as well......its easy to buy a pup for 1500 knowing that in a few years you are going to recoup on your investment many times over.

You say they are working dogs,what type of work ive never seen bulldogs,even american bulldogs do much in the way of work....and certainly not 1500 pounds worth of work.....why 1500 pound anyway ?.....even in a large litter of 10 pups it dont cost anywhere near 1500 pound to raise all 10 pups to 6/8 weeks.....so lets be generous and say 1000 pound to raise them,thats a 15,000 pound return for an outlay of 1000 pound !!!.......what makes these pups worth 1500 quid the fact they are a bit healthier,big deal....if the mans that into his dogs and into improving them he wont want any tom dick or harry having them,if some prick who decided yesterday he fancies a bulldog turns up on his door with 1500 quid.......or a decent young fella who loves the breed turns up with 50 quid whos he going to sell the dog to ?

 

Some things are self explannatory

[Ashover rabbit dogs 76]

Interesting post mate. I think personally if You are breeding a type of dog and are passionate about what You do, and with every litter try to improve the litter before,This make You a responsible dog breeder. There are many people out there that breed for money mating any old bitch to any dog. This is where it goes wrong for Me and the only gain can be financial. Rather than planning litters traveling miles to improve Your stock.Holding pups back to rebreed from or work. The thing that gets Me is do people really know just how expensive it is to rear a litter correctly. I would say from My experience it is in excess of £500 and upto £1000 depending on litter size.

just My two penneth worth

Justin

There should be more people with your chain of thaught and i totaly agree with you well said.

[terrierjohn 49]

imo its fine line between breeder and peddler as most ppl do breed with the genuine intentions of keeping a good line going but do also make some money in the process though this is done with the best intentions for thier bitch and these ppl will only breed thier bitch maybe twice in the bitches life whereas other types (@ssholes) will breed thier bitch every time she breaks never gives her any time to recover physically and mentally and has maybe 3 or more bitches in thier possesion of which all suffer the same thing these types are the peddlers

i once went to a farmer once to buy a ess and from what i heard about him before i met him he sounded like a genuine bloke who had good dogs and bred good pups and when i got to the farm and had a look round everything i soon found out he was the total opposite obviously a peddler the ess dam to the pup i was hopeing to get was almost bred to death could hardly stand and goes without saying i never took the pup and found out from a bloke who did buy 2 from him that his dogs had allsorts of problems and had cot him a couple of thousand in vet bills and also no sooner had the last pup been sold as soon as the bitch broke down again she was due another litter to which she could not handle mentally and physically and she ate them all

and he had others to breed from lurchers terriers german shepards collies this is what made him a peddler

no thought whatsoever aboout his dogs just wanting the pounds