x38 179 Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 another question, where does the original breeding come from if its all in the breeding? or is the breeding just a dog that was good at it? lol from the best that you can find a dog that is at the top of its game to a bitch at the top of her game.......worker to worker Quote Link to post
RossM 8,149 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 another question, where does the original breeding come from if its all in the breeding? or is the breeding just a dog that was good at it? lol from the best that you can find a dog that is at the top of its game to a bitch at the top of her game.......worker to worker i understand that mate, but im sure there is dogs out there with no big names in there breeding that can do the same, if not better job than dogs with the breeding behind them? im reading this back and it sounds like im trying to be a smart arse when im honestly not, if say you had an unknown lurcherx with very little saluki in him and he was taking fen hares for fun and you had one that had say khan jihad in its "breeding" which was taking hares but not as good as the other which would you put to your bitch? same example for fox dogs, if your neighbour had a a pup out of his cousins neighbours brothers greyhound bitch which was caught by the other neighbours ebtx thing and he only took one coz it was free, say 4yrs down the line that dog is doing good numbers of quarry without taking much stick, would you breed of this or breed of someones bullx which is marked up but has a name behind it but 3 generations ago? i understand that these unknown dogs might be a one off but they are workers whereas the named have been known to produce quality? Quote Link to post
graham4877 1,181 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Look at handcock dog's they don't get walked never mind worked..people buy them no prob's,n some lad have made good worker's out of them, so worker to worker don't always wash with me.Yes its nice to know they've come from workers it might help but its not 100%.I think its more about picking the right pup...if the pup's got brains and the right lad take's it, it will work out..But i think most people take a pup on looks! then they blame the the pup saying well it never come from workers.... Some of the best dog's about you will never hear of them..why do lad's run in comp's "MONEY" and to big their self up and their dog's but its back to money again!!!! Quote Link to post
blue staffy 145 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 good dogs are born not made , the best dog man in the world wont make a bad 1 work but there plenty half wits will waste a good dog by not puting in the time So why do people use bloodlines then? to get a better chance of producing workers Quote Link to post
x38 179 Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 another question, where does the original breeding come from if its all in the breeding? or is the breeding just a dog that was good at it? lol from the best that you can find a dog that is at the top of its game to a bitch at the top of her game.......worker to worker i understand that mate, but im sure there is dogs out there with no big names in there breeding that can do the same, if not better job than dogs with the breeding behind them? im reading this back and it sounds like im trying to be a smart arse when im honestly not, if say you had an unknown lurcherx with very little saluki in him and he was taking fen hares for fun and you had one that had say khan jihad in its "breeding" which was taking hares but not as good as the other which would you put to your bitch? same example for fox dogs, if your neighbour had a a pup out of his cousins neighbours brothers greyhound bitch which was caught by the other neighbours ebtx thing and he only took one coz it was free, say 4yrs down the line that dog is doing good numbers of quarry without taking much stick, would you breed of this or breed of someones bullx which is marked up but has a name behind it but 3 generations ago? i understand that these unknown dogs might be a one off but they are workers whereas the named have been known to produce quality? so woud you say its you that has made the dog or the dogs just doing his job off his own back... the question is it the dog or the man .... Quote Link to post
RossM 8,149 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 another question, where does the original breeding come from if its all in the breeding? or is the breeding just a dog that was good at it? lol from the best that you can find a dog that is at the top of its game to a bitch at the top of her game.......worker to worker i understand that mate, but im sure there is dogs out there with no big names in there breeding that can do the same, if not better job than dogs with the breeding behind them? im reading this back and it sounds like im trying to be a smart arse when im honestly not, if say you had an unknown lurcherx with very little saluki in him and he was taking fen hares for fun and you had one that had say khan jihad in its "breeding" which was taking hares but not as good as the other which would you put to your bitch? same example for fox dogs, if your neighbour had a a pup out of his cousins neighbours brothers greyhound bitch which was caught by the other neighbours ebtx thing and he only took one coz it was free, say 4yrs down the line that dog is doing good numbers of quarry without taking much stick, would you breed of this or breed of someones bullx which is marked up but has a name behind it but 3 generations ago? i understand that these unknown dogs might be a one off but they are workers whereas the named have been known to produce quality? so woud you say its you that has made the dog or the dogs just doing his job off his own back... the question is it the dog or the man .... lol i dont think there is an 100% correct answer to this one mate, do you enter a dog on its own or do you take it out with another dog already doing its job? i seen a dog a few years ago that would run alongside the hare didnt know what to do with it, when it was out and seen what it was meant to do it picked it up well, this dog is now a machine on all its seen and that is why im putting him over my bitch next year for a pup, what i would say is us as men know when to slip and when not to slip, when the dog has another run in it and when to call it a night, how often to work them, when they have learned enough for to be slipped single handed and try the trade on there own, its down to the dog to pick up enough experience when to up a gear, when to down a gear, when to put a turn in, when to strike, i think its more down to the experience and learning curves that make a good dog than the breeding? Quote Link to post
Malt 379 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Just to add.. The man on the lamp can greatly improve the chances of a catch when lamping.. Quote Link to post
x38 179 Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Just to add.. The man on the lamp can greatly improve the chances of a catch when lamping.. :thumbs: Quote Link to post
RossM 8,149 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Just to add.. The man on the lamp can greatly improve the chances of a catch when lamping.. 100% agree mate, :thumbs: Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,324 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 you can put a dog with the best of breeding in a messers hands and it wont make a good dog. but you can put an average animal in the hands of a good dogman and he will make something out of it. the old saying comes to mind. and some fell on stony ground any dog that is a top worker generally has a top owner. so i would give credit to the owner Quote Link to post
dimmock20 278 Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 a dogs either got it or it hasnt. you carnt polish a turd Quote Link to post
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