border man 2 Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 What are your views on breeding true to type. Worker to worker is the only way forward so why do so many of us stay breed specific. I'm as guilty as anyone but am now questioning it. What does it matter what it looks like as long as it does what you want. if working ability is all we are looking for wont types come and go as we strive for a better and better working terrier. All views and input more than welcome. Thanks Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Ok then ,i'll start with my take on this.There are ,believe it or not plenty of types within the breeds we have now so as not to need crossing one with another .Most types have taken years in the making so why would anyone in their right mind want to f**k it up with anything other than a near match .Balancing the good and bad points within a type is a lifetimes worth of experience easily f****d up by a chance mating just because the parents are workers .This fact is not enough in my eyes but seems to be enough for many these days .If you are saying why not put a good type over another good type of another breed ,then the argument is there but the purist wouldnt breed off it again unless they were certain of the outcome . My advice to anyone wanting to consistantly breed well is to study the form of a type before obtaining a few pups from it and listen to those who know better before subsiquently breeding off them. The gene pools are out there ,its up to the individual to find them and make the most without resorting to mismatches . Quote Link to post
bradaz2009 9 Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 what do you mean like puttin a big patterdale over a small one or would you yourself put another of the same type or are we talking putting a patterdale over a jack sorry just didn't really understand the question but what i did understand was that working ability should count more than looks just like you wouldn't put a really good worker(real ugly) into a show just for show dogs would you now people care to much about looks now than actual work ability Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Working ability yes ,but not just any old ability .If this goes over your head then maybe the penny will drop one day or maybe you will be forever chasing that ideal cross . Quote Link to post
stevemac 433 Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I would think that breeding true to type in the context of the working terrier what ever the breed would be to try and retain the atributs that make up a good worker in the first place ie small chest, strong jaw, desired heigh. 2 Quote Link to post
Rey27 83 Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I would think that breeding true to type in the context of the working terrier what ever the breed would be to try and retain the atributs that make up a good worker in the first place ie small chest, strong jaw, desired heigh. Quote Link to post
border man 2 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Thanks for the feedback guys. Food for thought indeed. Thanks again all. Would love more opinions Quote Link to post
stormrider8 59 Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Most people on this site slate the fu..k out of the kennel club and what they have done to various breeds over time. If all terriers were bred true to type over a period of time then surely the same would happen to them. In my eyes it doesnt hurt chuckin in the odd spanner and you can for sure get some quality results.. Quote Link to post
Dunkanon 380 Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I would think that breeding true to type in the context of the working terrier what ever the breed would be to try and retain the atributs that make up a good worker in the first place ie small chest, strong jaw, desired heigh. Personaly I would of listed gameness,inteligence,and a good nose above anything else. Quote Link to post
Dunkanon 380 Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Never bred any pups myself not saying I never will, but not for the forseeable future,and Im certainly no expert on the subject, breeding consistently good workers in any working breed is something of a science in my opinion, knowing how far you can inbreed,linebreed and then when the need arises introduce a catalyst like an outcross is not left to chance by the ones that have achieved this. Just breeding worker to worker is not a garantee of success as Im sure many will know, it does however on the surface appear to be the simplest method to produce a worker. But putting all those genes into the melting pot who knows what your going to get. So back to the original question would you x breed different breed types because they both work and your happy with them, I can see the argument for this like gaining hybrid vigour, stonger animal etc, but as part of a breeding program, never. I personally own a couple of outcrossed terriers as they suit me for now, would I ever breed off them? no. Quote Link to post
stevemac 433 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) I would think that breeding true to type in the context of the working terrier what ever the breed would be to try and retain the atributs that make up a good worker in the first place ie small chest, strong jaw, desired heigh. Personaly I would of listed gameness,inteligence,and a good nose above anything else. Sure these attributes are as much a part of a good worker as anything else and the parents should show these attributes before they are bred from. these things are hard to pick in the welping box. However a dog that has these attributes but is to big to go to ground isnt much good to a digging man. I must say though that a dog small enough to do the job but no guts isnt much good either. the full package is what is required. Edited October 12, 2010 by stevemac Quote Link to post
dog fox 16 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Ok then ,i'll start with my take on this.There are ,believe it or not plenty of types within the breeds we have now so as not to need crossing one with another .Most types have taken years in the making so why would anyone in their right mind want to f**k it up with anything other than a near match .Balancing the good and bad points within a type is a lifetimes worth of experience easily f****d up by a chance mating just because the parents are workers .This fact is not enough in my eyes but seems to be enough for many these days .If you are saying why not put a good type over another good type of another breed ,then the argument is there but the purist wouldnt breed off it again unless they were certain of the outcome . My advice to anyone wanting to consistantly breed well is to study the form of a type before obtaining a few pups from it and listen to those who know better before subsiquently breeding off them. The gene pools are out there ,its up to the individual to find them and make the most without resorting to mismatches . very well put FD ,the gene pool of the proper working terriers is diluted enough, with enough shite flying around so why breed more Quote Link to post
dog fox 16 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I would think that breeding true to type in the context of the working terrier what ever the breed would be to try and retain the atributs that make up a good worker in the first place ie small chest, strong jaw, desired heigh. Personaly I would of listed gameness,inteligence,and a good nose above anything else. i agree but that should have already been done for you over the years of good breeding ,just chucking worker over worker brings bad traits in unless the workers have a good long line behind them then it shouldnt be a problem . Quote Link to post
ziggy 619 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 i always breed worker to worker, thats how ive managed to keep a good line of terriers for the last 10 years, all mine are line bred to by putting father back to daguther then the daughters pup back to the farther , then put a brother over the next pup an so on , as i belive it hard to get hard working terriers these days because everyone is just putting eny old thing to cover ther bitchs, my good friend never put a dog over his bitchs that barks at his quarry, as to him the dog only barks at his quarry because it is frightend of his quarry,he allows his bitchs to bark as thier not as strong as the dogs on ther quarry, but that how he has keep a good hard line of terriers to which he to belives in line breeding, some on here will prob start moaning and slagging my pal of for how he breeds but everyone breeds diffrent, but also some times it is good to inroduce new blood in to the line breeding as some time you can line to close, Quote Link to post
Stevie D 9 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) It's difficult to say just breed worker to worker no matter what the breed is, as we all have a personal preference of the type/ breed we like. If we just bred worker to worker of any type, then over time we'd produce a black and tan mongrelly type terier. That's probably how terriers started in the first place!!! You've made a very good point Border man. If work is so important, why don't we just breed the best worker to the best worker and f*ck what type/breed they are? Stevie Edited October 12, 2010 by Stevie D Quote Link to post
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