poacher3161 1,766 Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 So wat you are saying if some one dosent want their dogs neutering their unlikely to give it a good home .Their must be hundreds of good responsible working dog owners out their who would not dream of having their dogs neutered unless advised by a vetinary surgeon on the grounds of a life threatning medical condition such as pyometra or ovarian tumours in bitches or retained testicles or testicular tumours in dogs For every good, responsible owner, unfortunately - and the number of dogs across both sites demonstrate this - there are a dozen irresponsible. Rescues would like to see a reduction in these numbers. The numbers of dogs in rescue. Neutering is the only sure fire way to positively work towards this. Plus, it does help against theft. Something no one wants. Look through the site and see the number of dogs left dumped in horrid conditions. Ran ragged and then dumped. One mans junk is another mans treasure. Failed workers, injured ex workers/racers, unwanted litters. Some heart breaking stories. There are plenty of great breeders who do everything they should by their dogs and pups. Unfortunately, they are a minority. You may not be able to breed from a dog from rescue, but I guarantee, for every one rehomed, their are many, many others waiting to take their place. Rescues are caught in the middle of a vicious circle. Blame the breeder, not the rescue. I totally agree idiscriminate breeding is the maine problem but unfortunatley its not only lurchers.I have a ten year old lurcher bitch who i have never dreamt of breeding a litter off for the reasons you have mentioned but also never intended having her spayed. Quote Link to post
6pack 60 Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 So wat you are saying if some one dosent want their dogs neutering their unlikely to give it a good home .Their must be hundreds of good responsible working dog owners out their who would not dream of having their dogs neutered unless advised by a vetinary surgeon on the grounds of a life threatning medical condition such as pyometra or ovarian tumours in bitches or retained testicles or testicular tumours in dogs For every good, responsible owner, unfortunately - and the number of dogs across both sites demonstrate this - there are a dozen irresponsible. Rescues would like to see a reduction in these numbers. The numbers of dogs in rescue. Neutering is the only sure fire way to positively work towards this. Plus, it does help against theft. Something no one wants. Look through the site and see the number of dogs left dumped in horrid conditions. Ran ragged and then dumped. One mans junk is another mans treasure. Failed workers, injured ex workers/racers, unwanted litters. Some heart breaking stories. There are plenty of great breeders who do everything they should by their dogs and pups. Unfortunately, they are a minority. You may not be able to breed from a dog from rescue, but I guarantee, for every one rehomed, their are many, many others waiting to take their place. Rescues are caught in the middle of a vicious circle. Blame the breeder, not the rescue. I totally agree idiscriminate breeding is the maine problem but unfortunatley its not only lurchers.I have a ten year old lurcher bitch who i have never dreamt of breeding a litter off for the reasons you have mentioned but also never intended having her spayed. Get me a few thousand like you and we are on a winner Quote Link to post
Guest chook Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Unfortunaly not everyone is like you poacher, so rescues can not take that chance, its a sad fact of life. Quote Link to post
poacher3161 1,766 Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Unfortunaly not everyone is like you poacher, so rescues can not take that chance, its a sad fact of life. Yes i agree my apologies if i came over the wrong way as your work in lurcher rescue is highley commendable and is worthy of support by any genuine person who has a genuine love of lurchers.atb dell Quote Link to post
blacktabs 3 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Got to agree the places do a grand job but agree also that i would never own a running dog that has been neutered i dont know any genuine hunters that would either so for that point alone i think they aught to have a different approach to folks maybe more than a visit to their premises to see how the pups will be looked after pity as the pups look the right sorts to make good workers but dont think they will be anywhere as good spayed or neutered. Wonder also how many of them get to go six mths and get done and what would they do if the new owner refused atb Quote Link to post
6pack 60 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Why take a dog from a rescue if you aren't willing to follow the requirements? There are many lurchers available in many places without these restrictions. Quote Link to post
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 hey girls (what a shock to see your gender) if you dont want them in the hands of coursing men then they cant do what they love and r breed to do. why dont you just shoot erm that will keep the numbers down nicley. Now hear this Big Fella, gender has nothing to do with with appreciation for coursing or ability to care for a dog . The simple fact is that rescues have too much to do because some folks are irresponsible knob heads. So, weather a working home or a pet one, they have no choice but to stem the flow of what might land back in the rescue later down the line if they are bred from. A neutered bitch or dog can make a very good worker, I've seen a few myself. You don't HAVE to breed from them to enjoy them. And there's more than a few pet homes who are happy to let the dogs do what they're bred to do without placing a wager on their head or giving a home to them on the condition that they are 'the best.' Some people just enjoy their dogs for all the things they are, good and bad. Maybe that doesn't make them 'serious' but it sure makes them better than somebody who'd turf their dog out because it didn't win a match. I totally agree idiscriminate breeding is the maine problem but unfortunatley its not only lurchers.I have a ten year old lurcher bitch who i have never dreamt of breeding a litter off for the reasons you have mentioned but also never intended having her spayed. If only there were more blokes around like you Poach Quote Link to post
toby1066 413 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 with Gap they dont rehome to working homes, pet homes only as far as i can recall, and again their dogs can not be kenneld outside at all. thats hypocrite most rescues use kennels to house the dogs till they find homes Quote Link to post
6pack 60 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 with Gap they dont rehome to working homes, pet homes only as far as i can recall, and again their dogs can not be kenneld outside at all. thats hypocrite most rescues use kennels to house the dogs till they find homes They are all short of foster homes if you would like to give your time? Quote Link to post
toby1066 413 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 a lurcher is a working dog any dog i have is worker 1st pet 2nd and has to live in a kennel as well as a house Quote Link to post
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 I personally don't have a problem with kennelling dogs, and only wish I had one for mine! But I think rescues prefer the dogs not to be kennelled out mostly due to the possibiltiy of theft. And sure there's some folks who think it's 'cruel' but whatever, it's their right to think that if they want. Don't have to agree with the policies to see that there is a massive need for rescues - mostly due to unscrupulous breeding. How many of us know people who've bred from their dogs and shouldn't be allowed to breed themselves, never mind their mutts? We ALL know people like that. So, the rescue puts their policy about neutering in place for a reason. Frankly I think it's a shame that it puts some working homes off just because they can't breed. I've seen some belting rescue dogs working. Quote Link to post
6pack 60 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 a lurcher is a working dog any dog i have is worker 1st pet 2nd and has to live in a kennel as well as a house So quick to criticise. Quote Link to post
ferret-boy 44 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 the first one is a cracker atb fb Quote Link to post
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