protein or fat

[munsterlurcher 0]

lads which is more important and which wud be the best for hunting lurcher gain 28 has 28 p-cent protein 11 p-cent fat, redmills plus has 27 p-cent protein 15 p-cent fat plus gain has more in there vit a vit d vit e

[cornishtrapper 3]

lads which is more important and which wud be the best for hunting lurcher gain 28 has 28 p-cent protein 11 p-cent fat, redmills plus has 27 p-cent protein 15 p-cent fat plus gain has more in there vit a vit d vit e

if your in a delema about it go for the redmills plus and add a multivit

[munsterlurcher 0]

lads which is more important and which wud be the best for hunting lurcher gain 28 has 28 p-cent protein 11 p-cent fat, redmills plus has 27 p-cent protein 15 p-cent fat plus gain has more in there vit a vit d vit e

if your in a delema about it go for the redmills plus and add a multivit

[shepp 2,285]

Give it up mate, you'll drive yourself mad with this feeding lark.

[undisputed 1,664]

Be careful of high protein diets unless you work your dog hard and often

[munsterlurcher 0]

Be careful of high protein diets unless you work your dog hard and often

[paddybarr 77]

lads which is more important and which wud be the best for hunting lurcher gain 28 has 28 p-cent protein 11 p-cent fat, redmills plus has 27 p-cent protein 15 p-cent fat plus gain has more in there vit a vit d vit e

 

 

Working dogs are truly premier canine athletes. As such, one should pay close attention to

meeting their energy needs. There are 3 sources of energy… fats, carbohydrates and proteins.

Understanding how the working dog utilizes energy and how best to balance these energy

stores can result in a more responsive partner that is less prone to physical injury.

 

Fats are the most energy dense of all the sources providing 70-90% of the energy needed for

muscle contraction (primarily fueling slow twitch fibers). In the working dog, 50-65% of

total energy in a diet should come from fats. (This translates to 25-32.5% fat on a dry matter

basis.) When fed a high fat diet, the working dog will develop pathways that promote

aerobic oxidation of free fatty acids (fat adaptation). In addition, adding an anti-oxidant

such as Vitamin E and the amino acid l-carnitine can improve the muscle’s use of fat.

Aerobic oxidation of free fatty acids leads to less lactic acid build up in the muscle and better

endurance.

 

Carbohydrates are stored in muscle as glycogen. Muscle uses glycogen during the initial

moments of activity and for bursts of speed and power (primarily fueling fast twitch fibers).

Glycogen stores are relatively small and can be rapidly depleted leading to muscle weakness

and fatigue. However, diets high in carbohydrates can lead to deconditioning (poor

endurance, obesity, muscle injury). For a working dog, carbohydrates should be limited to

10-15% of the total energy in the diet. To improve the working dog’s use of carbohydrates,

one should focus on replenishing glycogen stores and slowing glycogen depletion.

 

Replenishing glycogen stores is accomplished by providing a “good carbohydrate†at an

appropriate time. Muscle cells have GLUT4 pathways that are active during exercise and for

up to 30 minutes after exercise. These pathways allow for the uptake of carbohydrate into the

muscle without the release of insulin. Simple sugars (glucose, dextrose, fructose, corn

syrup) cause an insulin release that leads to subsequent hypoglycemia (low blood sugar).

Complex starches (bread, rice, grains) take too long to be digested and absorbed. Both cause

fluid imbalances that can contribute to diarrhea and dehydration. Maltodextrin is a small

complex carbohydrate and is the ideal carbohydrate for this purpose. Maltodextrin is rapidly

absorbed without an insulin release or fluid imbalance and is readily utilized by the GLUT4

pathway. When a maltodextrin supplement is given within 30 minutes of exercise, up to 85%

of pre-exercise glycogen levels are restored. Without this targeted approach, only 40% of pre-

exercise levels are restored.

 

Slowing depletion of glycogen stores is accomplished in two ways. First, when enough fat is

fed, slow twitch fibers will use free fatty acids as their energy source (fat adaptation) sparing

glycogen for use by fast twitch fibers. Second, supplementing prior to activity with a “good

carbohydrate†such as maltodextrin will give the working dog a little carbohydrate “to burnâ€

before starting on the glycogen stores. It is very important to avoid simple sugars and

starches to avoid insulin spikes and fluid imbalances.

 

Proteins are the building blocks of muscle and should not be a major source of energy.

Animal source proteins (chicken, beef, lamb, egg, etc.) are preferred and often offer increased

digestibility with a good amino acid balance. Diets low in protein have been associated with

increased injuries. A working dog diet should have a minimum 26% protein. For hard

working dogs, diets containing 30-40% protein are even better. The goal is to spare the use of

protein as an energy source so it can be used to build muscle mass and repair muscle

damage.

 

In summary, working dogs should be fed a diet high in fat to optimize energy availability

and high in protein to protect against injury. Carbohydrates should be supplemented at

appropriate times to improve their storage. Remember, feed for energy and you will have

energetic dogs.

 

I am frequently asked what and how I feed my dogs. I feed a quality

performance kibble that is 32% protein and 21% fat. I add a balanced fat supplement so that

total calories from fat range from 50-55%. Approximately 13-18% calories are from

carbohydrates. I adjust the total amount fed based on the dog’s activity and body condition.

(Beware, feeding a high energy diet can lead to obesity if one is not monitoring the dog’s

body condition on a regular basis.) I give a maltodextrin supplement after working. I give

500mg Vitamin E, 500mg l-carnitine and 400mg glucosamine daily.

[sandymere 8,261]

lads which is more important and which wud be the best for hunting lurcher gain 28 has 28 p-cent protein 11 p-cent fat, redmills plus has 27 p-cent protein 15 p-cent fat plus gain has more in there vit a vit d vit e

 

 

Working dogs are truly premier canine athletes. As such, one should pay close attention to

meeting their energy needs. There are 3 sources of energy… fats, carbohydrates and proteins.

Understanding how the working dog utilizes energy and how best to balance these energy

stores can result in a more responsive partner that is less prone to physical injury.

 

Fats are the most energy dense of all the sources providing 70-90% of the energy needed for

muscle contraction (primarily fueling slow twitch fibers). In the working dog, 50-65% of

total energy in a diet should come from fats. (This translates to 25-32.5% fat on a dry matter

basis.) When fed a high fat diet, the working dog will develop pathways that promote

aerobic oxidation of free fatty acids (fat adaptation). In addition, adding an anti-oxidant

such as Vitamin E and the amino acid l-carnitine can improve the muscle’s use of fat.

Aerobic oxidation of free fatty acids leads to less lactic acid build up in the muscle and better

endurance.

 

Carbohydrates are stored in muscle as glycogen. Muscle uses glycogen during the initial

moments of activity and for bursts of speed and power (primarily fueling fast twitch fibers).

Glycogen stores are relatively small and can be rapidly depleted leading to muscle weakness

and fatigue. However, diets high in carbohydrates can lead to deconditioning (poor

endurance, obesity, muscle injury). For a working dog, carbohydrates should be limited to

10-15% of the total energy in the diet. To improve the working dog’s use of carbohydrates,

one should focus on replenishing glycogen stores and slowing glycogen depletion.

 

Replenishing glycogen stores is accomplished by providing a “good carbohydrate†at an

appropriate time. Muscle cells have GLUT4 pathways that are active during exercise and for

up to 30 minutes after exercise. These pathways allow for the uptake of carbohydrate into the

muscle without the release of insulin. Simple sugars (glucose, dextrose, fructose, corn

syrup) cause an insulin release that leads to subsequent hypoglycemia (low blood sugar).

Complex starches (bread, rice, grains) take too long to be digested and absorbed. Both cause

fluid imbalances that can contribute to diarrhea and dehydration. Maltodextrin is a small

complex carbohydrate and is the ideal carbohydrate for this purpose. Maltodextrin is rapidly

absorbed without an insulin release or fluid imbalance and is readily utilized by the GLUT4

pathway. When a maltodextrin supplement is given within 30 minutes of exercise, up to 85%

of pre-exercise glycogen levels are restored. Without this targeted approach, only 40% of pre-

exercise levels are restored.

 

Slowing depletion of glycogen stores is accomplished in two ways. First, when enough fat is

fed, slow twitch fibers will use free fatty acids as their energy source (fat adaptation) sparing

glycogen for use by fast twitch fibers. Second, supplementing prior to activity with a “good

carbohydrate†such as maltodextrin will give the working dog a little carbohydrate “to burnâ€

before starting on the glycogen stores. It is very important to avoid simple sugars and

starches to avoid insulin spikes and fluid imbalances.

 

Proteins are the building blocks of muscle and should not be a major source of energy.

Animal source proteins (chicken, beef, lamb, egg, etc.) are preferred and often offer increased

digestibility with a good amino acid balance. Diets low in protein have been associated with

increased injuries. A working dog diet should have a minimum 26% protein. For hard

working dogs, diets containing 30-40% protein are even better. The goal is to spare the use of

protein as an energy source so it can be used to build muscle mass and repair muscle

damage.

 

In summary, working dogs should be fed a diet high in fat to optimize energy availability

and high in protein to protect against injury. Carbohydrates should be supplemented at

appropriate times to improve their storage. Remember, feed for energy and you will have

energetic dogs.

 

I am frequently asked what and how I feed my dogs. I feed a quality

performance kibble that is 32% protein and 21% fat. I add a balanced fat supplement so that

total calories from fat range from 50-55%. Approximately 13-18% calories are from

carbohydrates. I adjust the total amount fed based on the dog’s activity and body condition.

(Beware, feeding a high energy diet can lead to obesity if one is not monitoring the dog’s

body condition on a regular basis.) I give a maltodextrin supplement after working. I give

500mg Vitamin E, 500mg l-carnitine and 400mg glucosamine daily.

 

 

I'd go along with most of the above, though perhaps not high dose vit e as there is evidence that it actually slowed greyhounds times. It's all about balence to work ie huskies on long haul journeys will need high protein and fat diets as they will work very long periods at a steady pace and so burn more fat and destroy more lean tissue (protien) just through time and effort, a lapdog will have a lower need for protien as they won't put their muscles through much stress and a lamping lurcher will need glucose to undergo repeated sprints with protien somewhere in the middle. Musterlurcher either of the feeds you ask about will fill the basic needs of a working lurcher and you can taylor them to the amount of work the animal does, if it just works once a week for an hour or two then it will not need a lot of extras, if it works multiple nights then it will do well with a little more protein and more careful carbohydrate management. Basically if your just working it a once a week then I'd relax about feeding a little, any good quality dog feed with meat and bones once or twice a week, some veg and whatever table scraps are available and it'll do fine.