another tip if binos tune in at ten feet [buy em] but dont do as i did 30 years ago. bought a pair of swift osprey. still got em [about 100 odd quid] seemed to get a bit sticky so i used the bad old wd 40 [degreaser] sure did sort em, cost me the same again to get put right its also suprising how many people dont know how to tune em in! using a pair of minox 8x42 now, suppose to be a offshoot of leica. dont no if this is true though [anyone tried em] i find them ok. about 200 odd quid