Cant really say which as the dog i had was well down the line in there breeding programme.I actually got mine through a friend after all my own dogs were stolen.The dog in question was 4-5 year old when i had him and a joy to work.The chap that i got him through had a few of these type,like pees in a pod,long backs,big heads and rough coats and twisated front legs,ugly b*****ds but good workers.They were kept between 3 men i think and very few outside the circle got there hands on them.I would say that both types were of good quality as these lads were not into breeding dirt,couple of lads of