Listen to Craig and save the extra cash buy go strate to pcp so u don't have to folk out money in the future awould just buy a second hand ultra if ya can get ya hand on a cheap anuff 1 or or but av had a load of air rifles and it would have to be a aa s410 or the BSA ultra multi but av got the BSA ultra se emerald and think about gttin a 410 just as a second gun