cheers for the replies lads, after a real busy week this evening was 1st chance we have had to get down river an try, we got down there at 7 oclock tonite, my lad picked his own fly out the box, tied his own float an fly on, an started casting away i headed a hundred yards up bank an whilst i was setting me rod up, he shouted he was in... spawny little fooker just had a 2lb brownie on his 3rd cast, then the thunder an lightning started so we had to abandon the bank, so now he knows there is fish there, an his method is working he is as keen as ever, to be honest tho, dont know who is more exci