thanks si i no it was 4 years ago but it,s still fresh in my mind not a day go,s by i dont think of him iv not shed a lot of tears over him untill this morning iv had it hidden away just the way i am and for that i thank you and the lads on the forum i had to be strong for my son and his lass.they now have a daughter she,s the apple of my eye and all my love belong,s to her she,s uder going test,s to see if she,s got otc at the moment to see if she,s a carrier . you,v all got my support and my thanks ur friend mac