thanks for the info guys as you say i do love it , i found the pellet grouping is spot on ive been using the diabolo baracuda extra heavy pointed pellets since ive got it and ive took every thing ive aimed for with them . im getting over 11lbs with them every shot. the gas ram is perfect no leaks its a smooth shot if only a little heavy , but not as heavy as my hw90k i had . ive see the theoben evo go for anything up to £400 in the past but as you say the .20 is a big facter in selling as a lot of people prefer the .22 or .177 as not alot of .20's are made the pellets are as cheap to buy as a