the bitch is a two year old whippet/beddy , i,m no expert but i know she,s nowhere as good as her mother but as i,v said i think thats partly due to my (bad) training i bred her,me and the missus both love her,she will be with us till she dies so we,er trying to make the most of her, thanks for your helpfull replys,we,ll keep trying ! cheers plum !