Shep ..............yes I have had collie grey's before and if I was a knowledgeable then as I am now I think I would have made them better dog's , but given what they were I think the Kelpie I have now is a better dog , not just through my experience being greater but in the way he works too , he isn't shy or submissive like a lot of collie crosses I have seen and he seems to have a better hunting instinct but maybe that's just down to the collie crosses I have seen work ........to be honest I was looking for a collie cross around the time I got him and only went for this cross as an alternat