yer i saw his post on starting dogs young and this is how i do it i have them out walking at about 4months with the older dogs just mooching so it learns what it quarry is and then at a about 5months i take him ferreting with nets so he just holds them for mr and at about 6months i take it out walking and watching the other dogs and only slip him on one or two sensible rabbits with the older dogs and then once they have learned the lamp abit afer about a week 2weeks of tht i give them real easy sensible runs on the lamp so that it builds confidence for the dog with other dogs and occasionally