cheers for all advice and help, i checked this morn and same again 4 fell off the tealers. by time i got down there it was dark so ill take some pics tomorrow. made some tealers the same but 2.5 inches longer so if i have no look with them ill have to buy some. let you know if i get owt. got a squirrel today (not in snare) i was wondering iv seen that squirrel snare poles are legal but the rules of snaring are to use the snare as a restraint not a killing method? how does this make sense or is it just one of the many stupid laws we have.